Interesting read. Glad to see he has versatility at Guard and Center.
The article is from 2015 though. My concern is that in 3 years he was still on the Eagles practice squad in 2017.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ twgerber said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ twgerber said:
@ TBro said:
Rick had mentioned in his recent post-draft interview with PA how impressed they are with Aviante Collins.
I stumbled across this film session on you tube when he was used in the Jumbo package against the Bears last season.
I like what I see. I think he has much better upside over Hill if Remmers moves to RG.
https://youtu.be/Qx3LC7CwvkI
If there is a young tackle that loses out this camp, my guess is it would be Hill that goes. I like Collins a lot more than Hill and with O'Neill being drafted they won't keep 3 backup tackles.
I'd disagree since Hill's ability to swing over to LT is invaluable when O'Neill may or may not be ready. If you wanted to be more formal and set up a depth chart across the line for the time being it probably would be:
LT: Reiff, O'Neill
LG: Easton, Andrews, Cossett, Gonzalez
C: Elflein, Edison
RG: Remmers, Compton, Isidora
RT: Hill, Collins, Norton, Joseph, Lang
Assuming that they keep 9 again the easiest way to look at the depth chart is to break each positional group into tiers. It really shows you how far a single player would need to move up to really challenge for a roster spot.
Tier 1 (near locks) -
Reiff, Easton, Elflein, Remmers, O'Neill
Tier 2 (should make the roster) -
Hill
Tier 3 (on the line) -
Compton, Isidora, Collins
Tier 4 (competing) -
Andrews, Cossett, Edison
Tier 5 (longshots) -
Gonzalez, Norton, Joseph, Lang
So Hill is pretty safe and Collins had a good shot to make the roster since he'd be competing to be the best 3 out of 6 (tiers 3/4). He also is one of the only OT's in that grouping which gives him a significant advantage.
What if they don't move Remmers to RG?
Collins played quite a bit in the Jumbo last year. If they keep 2 backup tackles and 2 backup guard/center combos I see the backups as O'Neill and Collins. Hill has a shot so it could be O'Neill and Hill with Collins cut. I just have a hard time seeing Collins go. Hill not as much. I think Collins can play both LT and RT too.
Andrews is a lock at a backup spot since they signed him for DeFlippo. Isidora is a lock to me at RG to start the year. So the second backup guard/center will be ?? Compton or Cossett?
Just my guess at this point.
We'll have to ultimately see what happens during OTA's and Mini Camp before we have a good feeling where Remmer's lines up. Based on how they've approached the O-line this off-season there are some hints that he'll be bumped inside until someone else along the interior line can show something. Also you need to look back at the end of last season. They could have slid Isidora in a OG but believed messing with two pieces Remmers/Hill would be the best combination.
They also didn't sign Andrews strictly for DeFilippo. They tried to sign him off the Philadelphia PS last season and finally got the chance to once PS players can sign futures deals with any team.
Andrews looks like a pretty solid prospect. 6-2, 311. Has a 4.93 forty on his resume. Here is an article about Andrews development couple years ago...
https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/p...evelopment
He definitely has what you look for on paper in the scheme. Its just a matter of putting it all together on the field.
Quote: @twgerber said:
Interesting read. Glad to see he has versatility at Guard and Center.
The article is from 2015 though. My concern is that in 3 years he was still on the Eagles practice squad in 2017.
True, but you can read that two ways. That's a pretty good OL there in Philly. He may not have been experienced enough to crack the 53 the last couple years, but they believed in his development enough to keep him on the PS. No matter which way you look at it he's a bubble player, but it sounds like he will, at the very least, give players like Compton, Gossett and Isadora a good, healthy battle in camp...especially considering he may already have the inside track on some of Flip's schemes.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ twgerber said:
Interesting read. Glad to see he has versatility at Guard and Center.
The article is from 2015 though. My concern is that in 3 years he was still on the Eagles practice squad in 2017.
True, but you can read that two ways. That's a pretty good OL there in Philly. He may not have been experienced enough to crack the 53 the last couple years, but they believed in his development enough to keep him on the PS. No matter which way you look at it he's a bubble player, but it sounds like he will, at the very least, give players like Compton, Gossett and Isadora a good, healthy battle in camp...especially considering he may already have the inside track on some of Flip's schemes.
Should be a good camp battle. I would have expected he would have been on the roster as a backup after 3 years though if he was developing. We'll see.
Quote: @TBro said:
Rick had mentioned in his recent post-draft interview with PA how impressed they are with Aviante Collins.
I stumbled across this film session on you tube when he was used in the Jumbo package against the Bears last season.
I like what I see. I think he has much better upside over Hill if Remmers moves to RG.
Love Collins! Vodka and Aviante. i posted a vid of him here before the draft last year, didnt get much run but i was excited when we got him. Even more excited when he made the 53 and got jumbo snaps
In a dream scenario, Remmers would settle nicely at RG, and Collins and Isadora would both step forward impressively and win starting jobs. Is it certain? Of course not. But it's possible. Both were promising last year, now they have been on the team a year, practicing against a top NFL defensive line, in the strength program for a full year, offseason under their belt.
So imagine:
LT: Reiff
LG: Isadora
C: Elflein
RG: Remmers
RT: Collins
That's a solid vet paired with an athletic youngster on each side of the line, anchored by Elflein. Easton can backup at C and G - having him as a backup would be a luxury indicating significant overall OL improvement. Compton, Hill, O'Neill, for depth.
I actually think we will keep 10 OL, because by all accounts, O'Neill should spend a year practicing. He won't go to the PS because he would get claimed, so he might be on the roster but effectively redshirting in 2018.
Why is Isidora at LG better than Easton at LG? Isidora has never played LG has he?
Isidora:
Plays with an excessively wide base causing him to get jostled off-balance by power. Issues holding up to power showed up at the Senior Bowl practices. Had to fight overtime to maintain his positioning. More stalemater than block winner. Has some wasted motion in his movements in space. Needs to work feet into position for better block security. Can be frenetic up to second level. Allows momentum to carry him beyond his target at times.BOTTOM LINE
Isidora is an athletic guard with good size and above-average hands who plays with a base that can get too wide. He has the lateral quickness to be a fit for teams looking to get their guards out in space, but his issues anchoring against bull-rushes at Senior Bowl were a concern. Isidora has enough talent to become a starter, but his issues holding up against power could derail those plans if he doesn't address them.
From last offseason:
He’ll be a name worth keeping an eye on through the preseason. Isidora played right guard for almost the entirety of his college career in Coral Gables. Joe Berger has been one of the Vikings best offensive linemen over the past few years and figures to be the team’s starting RG. Berger is also 35 years old and in the twilight of his career.
Isidora can go a long way towards staking a claim to be the team’s future at right guard with some solid performances in August.
So to me it seems Isidora is strictly a RG. Is that correct?
Quote: @twgerber said:
Why is Isidora at LG better than Easton at LG? Isidora has never played LG has he?
Isidora:
Plays with an excessively wide base causing him to get jostled off-balance by power. Issues holding up to power showed up at the Senior Bowl practices. Had to fight overtime to maintain his positioning. More stalemater than block winner. Has some wasted motion in his movements in space. Needs to work feet into position for better block security. Can be frenetic up to second level. Allows momentum to carry him beyond his target at times.BOTTOM LINE
Isidora is an athletic guard with good size and above-average hands who plays with a base that can get too wide. He has the lateral quickness to be a fit for teams looking to get their guards out in space, but his issues anchoring against bull-rushes at Senior Bowl were a concern. Isidora has enough talent to become a starter, but his issues holding up against power could derail those plans if he doesn't address them.
From last offseason:
He’ll be a name worth keeping an eye on through the preseason. Isidora played right guard for almost the entirety of his college career in Coral Gables. Joe Berger has been one of the Vikings best offensive linemen over the past few years and figures to be the team’s starting RG. Berger is also 35 years old and in the twilight of his career.
Isidora can go a long way towards staking a claim to be the team’s future at right guard with some solid performances in August.
So to me it seems Isidora is strictly a RG. Is that correct?
I think they were working him at LG when Sirles went down last year. Not sure where he has been getting reps since then, likely both spots.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ twgerber said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ twgerber said:
@ TBro said:
Rick had mentioned in his recent post-draft interview with PA how impressed they are with Aviante Collins.
I stumbled across this film session on you tube when he was used in the Jumbo package against the Bears last season.
I like what I see. I think he has much better upside over Hill if Remmers moves to RG.
If there is a young tackle that loses out this camp, my guess is it would be Hill that goes. I like Collins a lot more than Hill and with O'Neill being drafted they won't keep 3 backup tackles.
I'd disagree since Hill's ability to swing over to LT is invaluable when O'Neill may or may not be ready. If you wanted to be more formal and set up a depth chart across the line for the time being it probably would be:
LT: Reiff, O'Neill
LG: Easton, Andrews, Cossett, Gonzalez
C: Elflein, Edison
RG: Remmers, Compton, Isidora
RT: Hill, Collins, Norton, Joseph, Lang
Assuming that they keep 9 again the easiest way to look at the depth chart is to break each positional group into tiers. It really shows you how far a single player would need to move up to really challenge for a roster spot.
Tier 1 (near locks) -
Reiff, Easton, Elflein, Remmers, O'Neill
Tier 2 (should make the roster) -
Hill
Tier 3 (on the line) -
Compton, Isidora, Collins
Tier 4 (competing) -
Andrews, Cossett, Edison
Tier 5 (longshots) -
Gonzalez, Norton, Joseph, Lang
So Hill is pretty safe and Collins had a good shot to make the roster since he'd be competing to be the best 3 out of 6 (tiers 3/4). He also is one of the only OT's in that grouping which gives him a significant advantage.
What if they don't move Remmers to RG?
Collins played quite a bit in the Jumbo last year. If they keep 2 backup tackles and 2 backup guard/center combos I see the backups as O'Neill and Collins. Hill has a shot so it could be O'Neill and Hill with Collins cut. I just have a hard time seeing Collins go. Hill not as much. I think Collins can play both LT and RT too.
Andrews is a lock at a backup spot since they signed him for DeFlippo. Isidora is a lock to me at RG to start the year. So the second backup guard/center will be ?? Compton or Cossett?
Just my guess at this point.
We'll have to ultimately see what happens during OTA's and Mini Camp before we have a good feeling where Remmer's lines up. Based on how they've approached the O-line this off-season there are some hints that he'll be bumped inside until someone else along the interior line can show something. Also you need to look back at the end of last season. They could have slid Isidora in a OG but believed messing with two pieces Remmers/Hill would be the best combination.
They also didn't sign Andrews strictly for DeFilippo. They tried to sign him off the Philadelphia PS last season and finally got the chance to once PS players can sign futures deals with any team.
I think there will be an all-out camp/preseason competition for starting RG and RT. I think Reiff-Easton-Elflein are in stone. Remmers will take one of those two spots most likely, just don't know which one yet considering how the competition shakes out. If Remmers ends up starting at RG, IMO that's great news because its obvious that's where the team sees him being the best benefit and most effective and it also means another player stood up well enough for them to trust him at RT. We'll see.
Quote: @twgerber said:
Why is Isidora at LG better than Easton at LG? Isidora has never played LG has he?
Isidora:
Plays with an excessively wide base causing him to get jostled off-balance by power. Issues holding up to power showed up at the Senior Bowl practices. Had to fight overtime to maintain his positioning. More stalemater than block winner. Has some wasted motion in his movements in space. Needs to work feet into position for better block security. Can be frenetic up to second level. Allows momentum to carry him beyond his target at times.BOTTOM LINE
Isidora is an athletic guard with good size and above-average hands who plays with a base that can get too wide. He has the lateral quickness to be a fit for teams looking to get their guards out in space, but his issues anchoring against bull-rushes at Senior Bowl were a concern. Isidora has enough talent to become a starter, but his issues holding up against power could derail those plans if he doesn't address them.
From last offseason:
He’ll be a name worth keeping an eye on through the preseason. Isidora played right guard for almost the entirety of his college career in Coral Gables. Joe Berger has been one of the Vikings best offensive linemen over the past few years and figures to be the team’s starting RG. Berger is also 35 years old and in the twilight of his career.
Isidora can go a long way towards staking a claim to be the team’s future at right guard with some solid performances in August.
So to me it seems Isidora is strictly a RG. Is that correct?
I get that, but isn't Remmers more likely to go to RG? He didn't look good at LG late last year, and presumably he would be a nice veteran presence next to a younger RT. But you may be right. If Isadora and Collins both impress enough to win starting jobs, is Remmers going to stay as a backup?
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I think there will be an all-out camp/preseason competition for starting RG and RT. I think Reiff-Easton-Elflein are in stone. Remmers will take one of those two spots most likely, just don't know which one yet considering how the competition shakes out. If Remmers ends up starting at RG, IMO that's great news because its obvious that's where the team sees him being the best benefit and most effective and it also means another player stood up well enough for them to trust him at RT. We'll see.
You are probably right, but in some ways, wouldn't Easton be more valuable as a multipurpose backup, like Berger has been for a few years? I see a lot of OL on this squad who can play OG and/or OT, but are anyone besides Elflein and Easton experienced at Center?
Easton is most likely the backup for Elflein at C regardless. If he has a regular starting role (LG), then if Elflein is out, you move him over and need to find someone else to play LG. That feels like more interruption than dropping Elflein in at LG, C, or RG if needed. I know it's hard to sell a player on the idea of being "super sub" instead of a full-time starter, but it worked well with Berger...
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