Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
Quote: @Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
Is that a joke? Look, there are good points to made on both sides of this debate. This isn't one of them.
Quote: @Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you. the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you. the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.
We all know playcalling and blocking have quite a bit to do with a QBs success. Case had a great year, and I really like him. But, he never had a great season before this one. Seems logical to me that Teddy, Sam, or Cousins would also be better with smart playcalling and an OLine that can provided a strong rushing game and protect the QB. The pass protection for both Teddy and Sam was total crap when they were starters.
Quote: @Ilovebigtd's said:
dear lord the comments here about teddy are funny. its hard repeating the same bs to these guys. like talking to a wall.
Are you here just to bag on those who view Teddy as possibly not the answer? We know, you are pro-Teddy....that's cool. I think we are all pro-Teddy the person, he's a great young man. Its Teddy the player with the questions marks about that leg that draws debate and rightly so.
The answer isn't clear cut, no matter who you might favor for QB.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you. the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.
We all know playcalling and blocking have quite a bit to do with a QBs success. Case had a great year, and I really like him. But, he never had a great season before this one. Seems logical to me that Teddy, Sam, or Cousins would also be better with smart playcalling and an OLine that can provided a strong rushing game and protect the QB. The pass protection for both Teddy and Sam was total crap when they were starters.
while some of that is true, there is no doubt that Case brought something of himself to the table. He. oved around the pocket better than Teddy or Sam, extended plays with his legs often and had 22TDs to only 7 Ints. I know that his mobility helped the O line mask a few of their deficiencies, and maybe that is something that should be recognized.
Guys like Montana and Tark werent known for their arm strength but instead combined their mobility with accuracy. The ability to keep your eyes downfield and sense when it is time to move and which direction is not something eveyone posseses. It puzzles me why many who saw it all season long now choose to ignore it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
Is that a joke? Look, there are good points to made on both sides of this debate. This isn't one of them.
Why would it be a joke both QB's having almost the same recievers?
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ Ilovebigtd's said:
dear lord the comments here about teddy are funny. its hard repeating the same bs to these guys. like talking to a wall.
Are you here just to bag on those who view Teddy as possibly not the answer? We know, you are pro-Teddy....that's cool. I think we are all pro-Teddy the person, he's a great young man. Its Teddy the player with the questions marks about that leg that draws debate and rightly so.
The answer isn't clear cut, no matter who you might favor for QB.
I am strongly in Teddy's corner as well, but I have to agree with this statement and have said so many times. They all have question marks and likely none more so than Teddy, but when comparing expected costs, age, stage of development, and about every other factor that I can come up with... Teddy in purple next year competing for the starting job makes the most sense to me... we all need to keep an open mind on this, but we need to keep our eyes open as well. some of the arguments are bordering on the ridiculous both for and against every QB in play.
The whole problem which I have not seen anyone mention is that this video is from two freaking years and one terrible injury ago.
To assume that Teddy will get back to his old playing form and get better is taking a lot of liberty.
There is not a long list (I cannot find anyone besides maybe a Willis McGahee) who have come back from a similar type injury (not just a couple of ligament tears) and have had success.
This is the entire problem for me.
If the Vikings were still rebuilding then I would be fine with Teddy being put back out there and given a chance to sink or swim.
But this team is ready to win now and looking at the contracts on the team the next 3 years are pretty crucial.
After that some players may be gone or asked to redo their deals (like Griffen or Joseph for example).
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ Norse said:
@ Wetlander said:
What I find funny is that Teddy gets ripped for his arm strength and inconsistent deep ball... yet Case has a weaker arm and arguably had much better WRs to come down with contested catches downfield... and one gets a free pass and the other doesn't.
Teddy and Case both had these recievers.
Diggs
Thielen
wright
Rudy
Case helped our receivers to get good numbers...Teddy couldn't achieve that.
Wright had better numbers with Teddy than Case... Diggs was a rookie that only started 13 games... Thielen was a special teams player... and Rudy caught a couple more TDs with Case but had basically the same amount of targets, receptions, and yards.
I guess I'm having a hard time seeing how the two situations are even remotely similar.
Both QB's had basically the same recievers. Except Teddy had Wallace who left and had a 1000 yard season with his next team.
if you cant see the differences in the 2 offenses and those 2 players (specifically Diggs and Theilen) from 2015 to 2017 then there is no point in trying to have a football discussion with you. the talking points have been made time and time again and if you refuse to use common sense and your eyes than no amount of discourse will make a difference.
There is a reason Teddy was ranked 30th with his passing game and Keenum's passing game was 10th. Zimmer said it best Case has big balls.
You only seem to make excuses for Teddy.
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