Quote: @Knucklehead said:
If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.
Couldn't agree more. I think the only thing that might possibly move the Vikings off QB in the draft is a 3-year deal for Kirk. And even THEN, I'd take one.
From Albert Breer:
"The Vikings did touch base with Cousins' camp last week, as they got their pre-combine meetings going, so the lines of communication are open. More clarity could come... next week. The current MN brass, now going into its 3rd season, really likes Cousins, but it's also been made clear that they're not going to go contractually where the previous regime did twice, and give Cousins a fully guaranteed deal."
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Knucklehead said:
If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.
Couldn't agree more. I think the only thing that might possibly move the Vikings off QB in the draft is a 3-year deal for Kirk. And even THEN, I'd take one.
Hell, yes...being able to raise a QBOTF behind a successful signal caller who's working out the kinks in the system ahead of the kid? That's basically a dream scenario, and not one you get on bad teams, and/or by "tanking".
Being able to pass the baton with high expectations...that's what the best clubs have done. New England didn't pull it off, but SF did with Montana/Young, those assclowns next door did it with Burt and Erin, and I really believe that we could do it with Kirk and a kid that learns behind him.
Hall doesn't look like he has "it", whatsoever. That brain ain't quick in game time. He'd better look into finishing up whatever degree was his minor. Dobbs is a good wildcat threat, maybe a trick play specialist...but I don't know if anyone believes in him being "the guy", anymore.
I'm hoping Kirk gets one more extension, the money wizards make the miracles happen so that JJ and others get paid, and we can go into 2024 feeling loaded for Bear (and Lion, and Puker, and so forth).
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
From Albert Breer:
"The Vikings did touch base with Cousins' camp last week, as they got their pre-combine meetings going, so the lines of communication are open. More clarity could come... next week. The current MN brass, now going into its 3rd season, really likes Cousins, but it's also been made clear that they're not going to go contractually where the previous regime did twice, and give Cousins a fully guaranteed deal."
And there's the sticking points...years and guarantees. Geoff already mentioned Kirk doesn't want to be a bridge quarterback and will make the Vikings guarantee that 3rd year if that's the case. It's going to have to be a two way commitment on both sides and I just don't know that guaranteeing a 3rd year at big money makes sense for the Vikings.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ Knucklehead said:
If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.
why do you bring Kirk back, but then not use every opportunity to improve the team around him? IMO you are either all in with Kirk, or all in with a rebuild, the half assed approach of the last couple years sucks as it did little/nothing to address the core problems this team has been facing for a long time and that is the trenches.
At some point you need to find your QBOTF. We're definitely within the ballpark of Cousins aging out of the NFL, so you have to ask yourself, how is that transition going to happen. Are you going to go all in, with no QB plan beyond Cousins and just deal with the desperation then, or do you get your guy before you need him and roll the dice on him not only being the next guy, but also potentially an upgrade.
I think that unless you have that guy who's taking you deep into the playoffs every year, you need be trying to find the guy who can.
I like Cousins, but he's always been a good stats poor results guy and also, it's not a given that he'll even be the same Cousins back from his injury.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ Knucklehead said:
If Kirko returns then drafting our QBOTF becomes even more of a priority. Because a Kirko led Vikings team will win more games resulting in lower draft positions. You have the perfect storm of a deep QB pool & the highest first round pick that we've had in a number of years. Time to pull the trigger.
why do you bring Kirk back, but then not use every opportunity to improve the team around him? IMO you are either all in with Kirk, or all in with a rebuild, the half assed approach of the last couple years sucks as it did little/nothing to address the core problems this team has been facing for a long time and that is the trenches.
At some point you need to find your QBOTF. We're definitely within the ballpark of Cousins aging out of the NFL, so you have to ask yourself, how is that transition going to happen. Are you going to go all in, with no QB plan beyond Cousins and just deal with the desperation then, or do you get your guy before you need him and roll the dice on him not only being the next guy, but also potentially an upgrade.
I think that unless you have that guy who's taking you deep into the playoffs every year, you need be trying to find the guy who can.
I like Cousins, but he's always been a good stats poor results guy and also, it's not a given that he'll even be the same Cousins back from his injury.
I dont resign Cousins, everyone is looking for this bump free ideal transition from the current to the future, unless you are GBay, that doesnt happen, maybe if they had put some sort of real effort into developing a replacement for Kirk, before it was time to move on from him they would have found that cheap guy they could groom for a few years, and if it didnt work out they had time, but the notion of Kirk being timeless had them not really putting much effort in and now we are behind the 8 ball. I find a bridge guy, accept that the team will take a step back for a year or two, but do so knowing that I am making a big swing for the future, but apparently the notion of not being 1 and done in the playoffs doesnt sit well with the owners or some fans so... fuck it, but if Kirk is the fuck it they choose, then I would like them to quit fucking around and go FULL FUCK IT, make a real run with the stars you have by adding more stars around them, quit fucking around with feel good free agents, I want play good free agents.
In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10.
What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.
Quote: @kmillard said:
In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10.
What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.
Kirk is out for himself, coming off a major injury and heading into his late 30's he knows this is his last chance to get a high dollar contract. No hometown discount and fully guaranteed is the only deal he will consider signing. Good luck Kirk finding some team that will cave to your demands. What ever team he signs that guaranteed deal with hope he enjoys watching the playoffs from his couch.
Quote: @Greylock said:
@ kmillard said:
In my perfect scenario Kirk gets signed to a 1 year contract with a 2nd year option, Vikings draft a future QB in the top 10.
What will really happen is Kirk gets signed to a 3 year deal and no QBs taken from this great class, maybe another 4th or 5th rounder. Its just how they roll.
Kirk is out for himself, coming off a major injury and heading into his late 30's he knows this is his last chance to get a high dollar contract. No hometown discount and fully guaranteed is the only deal he will consider signing. Good luck Kirk finding some team that will cave to your demands. What ever team he signs that guaranteed deal with hope he enjoys watching the playoffs from his couch.
wont happen that way, we are Vikings fans, I about guarantee that if he stays, one and done at best, however, if he goes, they will win the whole damn thing and we will spend the next 20 years hearing about it could/should/would have been us.
I think the bigger factor here with Kirk is are we a team that can be a Super Bowl contender this year or next, if so then it is worth going all in on Kirk, however based on what we have seen with this team even the year when we went 13-4 is that they are not at the level of the elite teams. There are so many holes on this team and the patchwork job did not work. With investing that money in Kirk, we are probably going to continue to be a borderline team for the next 2-3 years, which is not necessarily an awful thing as many teams do not get to that level, but would sure be nice to be a true contender, which is not something we have seen in a very long time.
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