Quote: @"purplefaithful" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"HappyViking" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"HappyViking" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
Bears cut Whitehair and Eddie Jackson today. Now sit at 70 million in available space to spend.
But oooohhhhh, that "competitive rebuild"...
Just curious, what's your view of the draft two years ago when the Vikes traded back with both the Lions and Packers? How about the draft picks of Cine and Booth, and your overall feelings of Kwesi? I'm not sure anyone has heard your view points on these topics yet. B)
It's just pointing out the contrast between the two philosophies and we have two organizations within the same division who hit the reset buttons on new front offices at the same time, so you can make a valid comparison. If you are asking me today, which organization did things the wisest and which situation and resources I'd rather have...it would be the Bears all day long. I say this knowing Kwesi has all but been saddled with the competitive mandates of the Wilfs, so you can't blame him completely
You also have to consider the loss of Cousins when comparing. The entire upside of the "competitive" rebuild was gone when KC's season ended. I think the Vikes would've been a playoff team if they didn't lose their starting QB. I suppose they could've started the "fire sale" immediately after KC got hurt by trading off players, but they wanted to still try to make the playoffs.
I think it's unknown if we would have made the playoffs if Cousins wasn't injured. First reaction would be yes, but then again we were only 3-4 with him including that abysmal home loss to the Chargers where they tried to gift wrap us the game and we wouldn't let them.
But again, my comment was more directed at the the contrast in the different rebuild philosophies between the two franchises. Going into year 3 under the new regimes, which team is better positioned at becoming long term contenders? Any non biased fan would say it's the Bears.
Well as you've pointed out, we are stuck with the Wilfs competitive rebuild mandate, which to me looks like a recipe for slowly sinking to the bottom of the NFCN.
The other issue is KOC's in-game shortcomings. He needs to be a CEO/motivator hc and let specialists do their thing in-game. Since his 8-1 start which was entirely based on motivating guys and being the antithesis of Miserable Mike Zimmer, he's treading water and failing to improve.
That's a really bad sign for a green hc imo. Guys who go to the podium every week and tell us how they are responsible and have to fix things and do better are guys who are out of a job sooner or later. Lets parse this out some:
In 2022 they had the 8-1 start, they went 13/4. That's hardly fall on your face and in spite of a bottom feeder D.
They started off cold in 23, but were clearly on the upswing by the time they won in Lamblow and lost Cousins. I believe they just rattled off 4 or 5 W's in a row.
No doubt he's got his opportunity areas as does any lesser experienced HC in the NFL.
KOC gets a pass for me from last year, for the reasons you chose to ignore. It would have been very easy for him to hide behind 4 different QB's, No JJ etc...
The fact that he put a lot of the blame on himself and didn't use the injury excuses speaks to his character.
Choosing to paint that as a weakness (or a character flaw) is a bit of a head-scratcher.
How does KOC get a pass for 2023? Starting 1-4 losing the home opener to Baker and the Bucs, and barely winning vs the lowly Panthers. All 4 losses (Bucs, Chargers, Eagles, Chiefs,) were easily winnable.
Through the 2023 season KOC has shown everyone that he does not have the killer instinct and he goes ultra conservative with the game on the line like, for one, the end of the Bengals game.
KOC gets an "F" for 2023.
Quote: @"supafreak84" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
Bears cut Whitehair and Eddie Jackson today. Now sit at 70 million in available space to spend.
But oooohhhhh, that "competitive rebuild"...
And with a great trade they will be taking one of the best QBs to come out in some time with the #1 pick, Poles has taken a lot grief, but the Bears are in really great shape to put together a really exciting young team.
That's the big difference is there was a clear direction and a clear plan to rebuild that roster in Chicago. They took their lumps the last couple years to be in the position they are now, and that's an ascending team with a shit ton of options. They have a football man in place making the decisions and overseeing this rebuild. I would bet anybody that he took the Bears job over ours for these very reasons and not having to deal with the competitive mandates of ownership and we ended up with a analytics stooge with almost zero real football experience. Is what it is...
The Vikings also have a clear plan. It's just the bears were shitty during the rebuild and the vikings were mediocre. If their plan works, great. If it doesn't, it just means they were shitty for a while. I don't think there's any real evidence that would suggest that the Bears plan is really a good one, given they still haven't "ascended" to above .500. The best we can really say about the Bears is that they lucked into the Panthers being so bad that they got the #1 pick, but that hardly feels like a plan going as expected.
Quote: @"medaille" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"JR44" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
Bears cut Whitehair and Eddie Jackson today. Now sit at 70 million in available space to spend.
But oooohhhhh, that "competitive rebuild"...
And with a great trade they will be taking one of the best QBs to come out in some time with the #1 pick, Poles has taken a lot grief, but the Bears are in really great shape to put together a really exciting young team.
That's the big difference is there was a clear direction and a clear plan to rebuild that roster in Chicago. They took their lumps the last couple years to be in the position they are now, and that's an ascending team with a shit ton of options. They have a football man in place making the decisions and overseeing this rebuild. I would bet anybody that he took the Bears job over ours for these very reasons and not having to deal with the competitive mandates of ownership and we ended up with a analytics stooge with almost zero real football experience. Is what it is...
The Vikings also have a clear plan. It's just the bears were shitty during the rebuild and the vikings were mediocre. If their plan works, great. If it doesn't, it just means they were shitty for a while. I don't think there's any real evidence that would suggest that the Bears plan is really a good one, given they still haven't "ascended" to above .500. The best we can really say about the Bears is that they lucked into the Panthers being so bad that they got the #1 pick, but that hardly feels like a plan going as expected.
I give them credit for selling off assets they didnt want to pay for draft capital, making smart draft day trades, and maximizing their rebuild into the options they have this offseason. Oh and they also beat us once, and won 8 games (same as us) with some guy named Bagent starting five games. Most of us would shit ourselves if the Vikings had the options the Bears had this offseason, so, no...it's not great for us if things continue to fall into place for them while we dick around with competitive rebuilds
Speaking of free agents, I hear that dead horse that Supa has been unmercifully beating is availabe for a song…  B)
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Speaking of free agents, I hear that dead horse that Supa has been unmercifully beating is availabe for a song… B)
When I'm proven wrong and they stop doing the same things that have gotten us nothing but medioctlrity...I'll shut up about it. Until then I'll beat that horse into oblivion
Quote: @"Kentis" said:
Speaking of free agents, I hear that dead horse that Supa has been unmercifully beating is availabe for a song… B)
Has to be a horse, our days of beating bears and lions appears to be coming to an end for a while. :p
Quote: @"supafreak84" said:
@"Kentis" said:
Speaking of free agents, I hear that dead horse that Supa has been unmercifully beating is availabe for a song… B)
When I'm proven wrong and they stop doing the same things that have gotten us nothing but medioctlrity...I'll shut up about it. Until then I'll beat that horse into oblivion
I’m pretty sure everyone here now knows your thoughts on this. I just don’t feel the need when I arise every morning, to in affect, relearn the alphabet is all…
Quote: @"Kentis" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Kentis" said:
Speaking of free agents, I hear that dead horse that Supa has been unmercifully beating is availabe for a song… B)
When I'm proven wrong and they stop doing the same things that have gotten us nothing but medioctlrity...I'll shut up about it. Until then I'll beat that horse into oblivion
I’m pretty sure everyone here now knows your thoughts on this. I just don’t feel the need when I arise every morning, to in affect, relearn the alphabet is all…
Yeah, that's how I feel. I stopped posting about my thoughts on this because.....I'm pretty sure everyone on the board knows my thoughts by now. Interjecting the same narrative like beating a damn drum to death into every thread just gets old. And lame.
Quote: @"Kentis" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"Kentis" said:
Speaking of free agents, I hear that dead horse that Supa has been unmercifully beating is availabe for a song… B)
When I'm proven wrong and they stop doing the same things that have gotten us nothing but medioctlrity...I'll shut up about it. Until then I'll beat that horse into oblivion
I’m pretty sure everyone here now knows your thoughts on this. I just don’t feel the need when I arise every morning, to in affect, relearn the alphabet is all…
Ok, nobody on the board ever discuss the "competitive rebuild" model or question the direction of the franchise on a fucking fan message board so Kentis and Sticky don't get their panties in a bunch. Got it. Unbelievable :p
Gonna be a long offseason for you fellas
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