I’m not a fan of the strategy of picking up other teams athletic
but shitty players and hoping that they dramatically improve with a change of scenery,
but I think it’s inappropriate to judge that strategy on a case by case
basis. You need to judge it over the
long term with several tries. Like if
you look at a box of pulltabs and see that most of the pulltabs are gone, but
most of the big prizes are still left.
Any given pulltab is likely to be a loss, but you’re thinking that the big
prize you’ll eventually get by investing enough times outweighs the costs.
That said, I think it’s a bad strategy and would still look
bad after many tries.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ Knucklehead said:
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Yep, brutal. All GMs have this kind of stuff on their record and in their history, it goes with the job. Take a look at the Patriots 2022 Draft class, its horrible. Yet a few are just over the top with the critique of KAM already. Its really ridiculous. Just can't wait to judge with the hidden agendas.
Trust me, we'll all have plenty of time to bitch when the time calls for it. That time isn't now.
The Patriots have never been the gold standard when it comes to drafting. They just got extremely lucky drafting the best QB in NFL history and had a defensive minded genius as a head coach to compliment him.
As far as over the top critiques go, what has KAM done that you like? "Culture" comes with any regime change and it can be short lived. 13 wins with Spielmans roster and a first round playoff exit at home, ok. Trading for Hockenson who now wants to reset the TE money market when we have several other large money deals on the horizon, ok. From an actual player/personnel standpoint its been very rough sledding. Trades, whether in the draft or otherwise, have not been good. He better hope Addison ends up being the real deal otherwise this might be another rough draft class. So overall there's not been a lot to write home about for the ol' Kwes-meister two offseasons in.
I'm just happy the season is finally here and we can finally see where this ship is sailing
Hindsight is perfect, all these teams evaluated these players prior to the draft & placed a grade on them, I’m sure teams like to think they know what they’re acquiring when they give guys a 2nd or 3rd shot to make it. There are alot of things neither the media or fans know about players, their situations, their coaching, their family, or their health for that matter. Some players & positions take longer then others. You got to keep taking swings on talent, where ever you can find it…
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Knucklehead said:
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Yep, brutal. All GMs have this kind of stuff on their record and in their history, it goes with the job. Take a look at the Patriots 2022 Draft class, its horrible. Yet a few are just over the top with the critique of KAM already. Its really ridiculous. Just can't wait to judge with the hidden agendas.
Trust me, we'll all have plenty of time to bitch when the time calls for it. That time isn't now.
The Patriots have never been the gold standard when it comes to drafting. They just got extremely lucky drafting the best QB in NFL history and had a defensive minded genius as a head coach to compliment him.
As far as over the top critiques go, what has KAM done that you like? "Culture" comes with any regime change and it can be short lived. 13 wins with Spielmans roster and a first round playoff exit at home, ok. Trading for Hockenson who now wants to reset the TE money market when we have several other large money deals on the horizon, ok. From an actual player/personnel standpoint its been very rough sledding. Trades, whether in the draft or otherwise, have not been good. He better hope Addison ends up being the real deal otherwise this might be another rough draft class. So overall there's not been a lot to write home about for the ol' Kwes-meister two offseasons in.
I'm just happy the season is finally here and we can finally see where this ship is sailing
Again, you know my thought: its premature to judge right now. That's my only point.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Knucklehead said:
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Yep, brutal. All GMs have this kind of stuff on their record and in their history, it goes with the job. Take a look at the Patriots 2022 Draft class, its horrible. Yet a few are just over the top with the critique of KAM already. Its really ridiculous. Just can't wait to judge with the hidden agendas.
Trust me, we'll all have plenty of time to bitch when the time calls for it. That time isn't now.
The Patriots have never been the gold standard when it comes to drafting. They just got extremely lucky drafting the best QB in NFL history and had a defensive minded genius as a head coach to compliment him.
As far as over the top critiques go, what has KAM done that you like? "Culture" comes with any regime change and it can be short lived. 13 wins with Spielmans roster and a first round playoff exit at home, ok. Trading for Hockenson who now wants to reset the TE money market when we have several other large money deals on the horizon, ok. From an actual player/personnel standpoint its been very rough sledding. Trades, whether in the draft or otherwise, have not been good. He better hope Addison ends up being the real deal otherwise this might be another rough draft class. So overall there's not been a lot to write home about for the ol' Kwes-meister two offseasons in.
I'm just happy the season is finally here and we can finally see where this ship is sailing
Again, you know my thought: its premature to judge right now. That's my only point.
Fair enough, but I think you can take the fact that he's never worked in scouting/player personnel combined with his relative lack of experience and some of the curious to just bad decisions he's made thusfar and have real cause to be concerned without calling it an over the top critique.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Knucklehead said:
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Yep, brutal. All GMs have this kind of stuff on their record and in their history, it goes with the job. Take a look at the Patriots 2022 Draft class, its horrible. Yet a few are just over the top with the critique of KAM already. Its really ridiculous. Just can't wait to judge with the hidden agendas.
Trust me, we'll all have plenty of time to bitch when the time calls for it. That time isn't now.
The Patriots have never been the gold standard when it comes to drafting. They just got extremely lucky drafting the best QB in NFL history and had a defensive minded genius as a head coach to compliment him.
As far as over the top critiques go, what has KAM done that you like? "Culture" comes with any regime change and it can be short lived. 13 wins with Spielmans roster and a first round playoff exit at home, ok. Trading for Hockenson who now wants to reset the TE money market when we have several other large money deals on the horizon, ok. From an actual player/personnel standpoint its been very rough sledding. Trades, whether in the draft or otherwise, have not been good. He better hope Addison ends up being the real deal otherwise this might be another rough draft class. So overall there's not been a lot to write home about for the ol' Kwes-meister two offseasons in.
I'm just happy the season is finally here and we can finally see where this ship is sailing
Again, you know my thought: its premature to judge right now. That's my only point.
Fair enough, but I think you can take the fact that he's never worked in scouting/player personnel combined with his relative lack of experience and some of the curious to just bad decisions he's made thusfar and have real cause to be concerned without calling it an over the top critique.
I think if you look in this thread and one other, you'l see what I'm talking about lol. The two examples with Vedvik and Herndon are worse than anything KAM's done to date. By far.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ Knucklehead said:
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Yep, brutal. All GMs have this kind of stuff on their record and in their history, it goes with the job. Take a look at the Patriots 2022 Draft class, its horrible. Yet a few are just over the top with the critique of KAM already. Its really ridiculous. Just can't wait to judge with the hidden agendas.
Trust me, we'll all have plenty of time to bitch when the time calls for it. That time isn't now.
The Patriots have never been the gold standard when it comes to drafting. They just got extremely lucky drafting the best QB in NFL history and had a defensive minded genius as a head coach to compliment him.
As far as over the top critiques go, what has KAM done that you like? "Culture" comes with any regime change and it can be short lived. 13 wins with Spielmans roster and a first round playoff exit at home, ok. Trading for Hockenson who now wants to reset the TE money market when we have several other large money deals on the horizon, ok. From an actual player/personnel standpoint its been very rough sledding. Trades, whether in the draft or otherwise, have not been good. He better hope Addison ends up being the real deal otherwise this might be another rough draft class. So overall there's not been a lot to write home about for the ol' Kwes-meister two offseasons in.
I'm just happy the season is finally here and we can finally see where this ship is sailing
Again, you know my thought: its premature to judge right now. That's my only point.
Fair enough, but I think you can take the fact that he's never worked in scouting/player personnel combined with his relative lack of experience and some of the curious to just bad decisions he's made thusfar and have real cause to be concerned without calling it an over the top critique.
I think if you look in this thread and one other, you'l see what I'm talking about lol. The two examples with Vedvik and Herndon are worse than anything KAM's done to date. By far.
But not worse then the Lions or Packers trade downs last draft. We got shit for value in the Lions trade down and we allowed Green Bay to move up to draft Christian Watson while we took Andrew Booth and Ingram. Dogshit...
You want to know the fastest way for a green GM to alienate his fanbase? Make dumbass trades with division rivals because you think you are smarter then everybody, only to have those moves blow up in your face.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I think if you look in this thread and one other, you'l see what I'm talking about lol. The two examples with Vedvik and Herndon are worse than anything KAM's done to date. By far.
So those two moves were worst than trading a high valued 12th and 46th for a 32, 34 and 66 and we are not even going to bring up what he did with 32 and 34. That is one of the worst GM blunders I have seen. Kwesi already has more head scratchers in 2 years than Rick did in 15.
John Carlson, Mike Wallace, Sam Bradford, Daniel Carlson, Kaare V, Josh Freeman etc. All GMs made good and bad descisions.
Quote: @mblack said:
John Carlson, Mike Wallace, Sam Bradford, Daniel Carlson, Kaare V, Josh Freeman etc. All GMs made good and bad descisions.
Daniel Carlson was an exceptional draft pick, it was not Rick's fault that Zimmer allowed his temper to make an irrational decision. Bradford was a move they needed to make as they were a Super Bowl favorite that year and they needed to go for it, don't forget Bradford and the team starting on fire and were 5-0 to start the season, overall he had 72% completion percentage, 3800 yards, 20 TDs and 5 picks, so I would say a pretty good year. Next season injuries got him, but it was worth the shot for the previous year. Freeman was a low risk move as did not cost them anything and he got Wallace for a swap of late round picks so would not call either of those a bad move.
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