Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
Yeah, agree with you on that much. He's going to get EVERY opportunity and beyond before they say uncle.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
Yeah, agree with you on that much. He's going to get EVERY opportunity and beyond before they say uncle.
If he goes out, plays like shit, the heat will be on the coaches and who ever else signed off on that pick and the moves it took to get him, he may get to start 24, but I bet there is a back up plan in place unless he shows well this year.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ HappyViking said:
Lance was a running QB at NDSU. Yeah, he's got a big arm, but he'd drop back and more often than throw. No way would I trust a NDSU QB as a NFL pure passer. NDSU is a running offense, so expecting Trey to be a pass first QB just won't happen right away. He might end up being really good one day, but taking him so high in the draft seemed crazy to me. Hell, I thought Wentz would be a 4th rounder so I guess I really have a hard time evaluating college QBs.
Dude, don't be so hard on yourself. Wentz has played like a 4th rounder.
Yea Wentz is a shell of himself since his injuries piled up. He would have been a lot better based on projection of his play up until then. I'm not sure he is even a decent backup at this point in his career. Oh well, I like him being that he grew up a Viking fan 
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
Yea, that was just to move from 12 to 3 (9 spots) and that was a steep price.
I like what the Bears did much better when moving from 20 to 11 (9 spots) and grab Fields - gave up their 20 pick, 5th rounder that draft and 1st and 4th rounder this past draft.
I am a huge advocate for moving up for the QB your personnel determine is the guy (I know all about odds etc) so I am not knocking what the 49'ers/Bears did at all, in fact I advocate it.
I just think that was too much for Lance and about right for Fields. I also, during the draft, advocated for us to move up for Fields in that 10 range because I think he has a chance to be very good and he would have been a Top 1-5 picks in most other drafts so it would have been great value or risk/reward.
After it was clear we weren't looking that closely at Top QB's because of our KC situation (contract etc) I was a huge advocate for Darrisaw pre and during the draft as well. I was pissed when we traded down because I wanted him almost as much as I wanted Slater ( almost I assumed Slater would be gone and he was). Spelly pulled another rabbit IMO in getting Darrisaw thanks a bunch to the moron Raiders..just lose the draft baby!
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
Yeah, agree with you on that much. He's going to get EVERY opportunity and beyond before they say uncle.b
If he goes out, plays like shit, the heat will be on the coaches and who ever else signed off on that pick and the moves it took to get him, he may get to start 24, but I bet there is a back up plan in place unless he shows well this year.
He's not gonna play like crap though. They have probably the best play caller in the league, a top 10 WR in Deebo, an elite TE in Kittle, a solid stable of RBs and a good OL. I'm surprised so many in this thread are down on him. Lance will be capable at worst, and has gigantic upside the Niners will try to tap in to. If they do, look out.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
Yeah, agree with you on that much. He's going to get EVERY opportunity and beyond before they say uncle.b
If he goes out, plays like shit, the heat will be on the coaches and who ever else signed off on that pick and the moves it took to get him, he may get to start 24, but I bet there is a back up plan in place unless he shows well this year.
He's not gonna play like crap though. They have probably the best play caller in the league, a top 10 WR in Deebo, an elite TE in Kittle, a solid stable of RBs and a good OL. I'm surprised so many in this thread are down on him. Lance will be capable at worst, and has gigantic upside the Niners will try to tap in to. If they do, look out.
Upside for sure. Physical abilities all day long. But he's hardly played any football. I don't think anyone is 'down' on him, or I'll at least speak for myself and say that. But I'm HIGHLY skeptical. And the 49ers gave up a ton to get him. There's going to be pressure on him and the front office over this. But I've also mentioned that I think he's in a good situation and set up for success. And I applaud the 49ers for taking a big swing, they believe in him.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
Yeah, agree with you on that much. He's going to get EVERY opportunity and beyond before they say uncle.b
If he goes out, plays like shit, the heat will be on the coaches and who ever else signed off on that pick and the moves it took to get him, he may get to start 24, but I bet there is a back up plan in place unless he shows well this year.
He's not gonna play like crap though. They have probably the best play caller in the league, a top 10 WR in Deebo, an elite TE in Kittle, a solid stable of RBs and a good OL. I'm surprised so many in this thread are down on him. Lance will be capable at worst, and has gigantic upside the Niners will try to tap in to. If they do, look out.
Upside for sure. Physical abilities all day long. But he's hardly played any football. I don't think anyone is 'down' on him, or I'll at least speak for myself and say that. But I'm HIGHLY skeptical. And the 49ers gave up a ton to get him. There's going to be pressure on him and the front office over this. But I've also mentioned that I think he's in a good situation and set up for success. And I applaud the 49ers for taking a big swing, they believe in him.
I think they grossly overpaid, but thats where I'm at, I just have my doubts that he has the football experience to make the jump from Marshall MN HS, to NFL starter in on 1 season of real football in between. More situational football and practice reps would be better IMO.
I actually wanted the Vikes to take a swing at him if he made it past the top 10, no way would I have given up what they did for him though.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
No I really don't see him making it into his 5th year option. While the 9ers have talent around them now, the lack of premium picks will come back to haunt them over the next few years.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
No I really don't see him making it into his 5th year option. While the 9ers have talent around them now, the lack of premium picks will come back to haunt them over the next few years.
Oh he was a big gamble for sure and the 49ers gave a pound of flesh to get him. I'm also aware that 1st round QBs hit at a rate of about 15%. And this one didn't play much college football either. Small ball at that.
But I liked what I saw when I watched him. I liked what I read about his intangibles. That was before he was drafted by Shanahan, who's no idiot and will very likely give Lance exactly what he needs to be successful.
I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong! I hope he falls on his face and the 49ers are set back for a half decade.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I think this decision will haunt the Niners.
It won’t. Lance is a prototype QB of the future of the NFL. SF knows it and are being proactive. The Vikings would do well to monitor this situation closely.
The odds that any QB drafted turns into a quality starter is extremely low.
Ok sure but what does that have to do with Lance? I laid out why I think he’ll succeed on the Niners— maybe not immediately, but long term. Do you disagree and think he’ll stink? Do you think they’d be better off sticking with Jimmy G?
Even Trevor Lawrence a "generational talent" sucked last year.
Trey barely played at the collegiate level. I have no idea how the Niners plan on transitioning him into a starting role and not having the team implode. If he doesn't light it up right out the gate (which its likely he wont) you're going to have a bunch of resentment in that locker room....unless they trade Jimmy.
So you think they would be better off having not drafted Lance and staying with Jimmy? If that’s what you’re saying I understand it and do see the merit, but ultimately I disagree. Again, I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they’re doing.
Its not just Lance. They gave up ‘21, ‘22, ‘23s firsts and a 3rd. Had they already had the third pick thats one thing. To give up that many premium picks for a kid who has next to no collegiate experience….no it was a terrible decision.
Id put the odds well under 1/10 that he’s the starter in 2024.
LOL. Hyperbole much?
More likely odds are "well under" 1 in 10 that the 49ers give up on a player they gave three 1sts and a 3rd for before his 1st contract is up.
No I really don't see him making it into his 5th year option. While the 9ers have talent around them now, the lack of premium picks will come back to haunt them over the next few years.
Oh he was a big gamble for sure and the 49ers gave a pound of flesh to get him. I'm also aware that 1st round QBs hit at a rate of about 15%. And this one didn't play much college football either. Small ball at that.
But I liked what I saw when I watched him. I liked what I read about his intangibles. That was before he was drafted by Shanahan, who's no idiot and will very likely give Lance exactly what he needs to be successful.
I could be wrong. I hope I'm wrong! I hope he falls on his face and the 49ers are set back for a half decade.
Not as much as I hope I am wrong about Fields
Of course, Lance and Fields teams are "polar" (pun intended) opposites in terms of ability to coach up the young QB and ideal personnel.
Mac Jones and Lance went to ideal situations/team/coaches last year.
I thought Fields went to an OK situation but they have seemed to shred contracts to get under the CAP and set up for top FA CAP money next year. Meanwhile the surround for Fields this upcoming year might the worst of any QB 2nd year or not. I think I am OK with that, Da Bears
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