Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
I just don't believe preconceptions or prejudgements based on race or gender exist in the NFL anymore because it is all about winning. This isn't 1962 and owners are going to do whatever they can to win games. Do you really believe an owner would bypass a coach or assistant coach because of their skin color? They dont do it with players so why would they do it with coaches? Again, the Browns just made DeSean Watson the highest paid player in league history.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
Because the NFL really cares about women?
The teams are the NFL. This is purely marketing. And stupid marketing.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
I just don't believe preconceptions or prejudgements based on race or gender exist in the NFL anymore because it is all about winning. This isn't 1962 and owners are going to do whatever they can to win games. Do you really believe an owner would bypass a coach or assistant coach because of their skin color? They dont do it with players so why would they do it with coaches? Again, the Browns just made DeSean Watson the highest paid player in league history.
Because they care about women.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.
That's what you took from MB's example? SMH.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.
Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from? Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?
Aren't those maybe often good things that are based on history and personal experience? We all say we want our kids to not prejudice, but then we teach them stranger danger, we are taught to prejudice from as soon as we are able to understand others....DONT TOUCH HOT!!!, not all prejudgements or bias are good obviously but think about how many time your pre judgements of people are correct and that is likely why you had that thought on this particular woman in the first place. Would you have missed out, yes, and that would have sucked for you, but your instincts were there for a reason, and quite often they aren't based on unfounded bias or misconception.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.
That's what you took from MB's example? SMH.
Yes, he threw out a candidate based solely on her age. In nearly thirty years of hiring, I've never once been guilty of doing something that dumb. I would say he is lucky he hasn't been sued or run into issues post hire when that's his view on people's abilities based on a characteristic. The people that are loudest in these debates against discrimination seem to be the ones most likely to be creating the problem in the first place. Correlated to this are all the hypocrites in government requiring the people to mask up, when they're the first ones to avoid it. Of course, when busted like Nancy, AOC, and the libtard mayors amongst others, they just claim some type of discrimination from those that catch them. It's a lot of fun dealing with the hypocritical environment that's dominating all the discourse today. That will change a bit come November.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.
Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from? Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?
Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position.
Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Whatever happened to just hiring the best person for the job (regardless of anything) without having to worry about being branded as a racist or bigot? The NFL is now telling teams they MUST hire a female or minority candidate to work a coaching position that works closely with the head coach. I'm sure that will go over great in the coaching community.
Because you can't trust corporations/teams to do that. You act like its common sense and is happening. It isn't. Bias comes into play. So you have horseshit rules like this one. Yes, I don't agree with forcing anyone to do anything like this in principle. But its been proven time and again certain peoples will be prejudiced against time and again if you don't enact these kinds of rules. How do you explain women doing exactly the same job as men and getting paid less? The explanation is because there is inherent bias. And who gives a shit what the coaching community thinks? They'll adapt.
Again, I don't like rules like this. Because IMO for sure some women that don't necessarily deserve it will get hired to fill the quota. But if you don't think that some white men that get these opportunities also don't deserve it over black candidates, you're fooling yourself. So now they enact rules that I hate because of this. Give them a shot.
What statistical data or evidence can you point to that supports racist or bigoted hiring practices are going on in the NFL today?
It's not racism or bigotry the NFL is trying to defeat. It's preconceptions, prejudgements. Something we're all guilty of to one degree or another.
I know, and what better way then to require all teams to hire a token black guy. I bet that other guy that missed out on the position will have zero resentment.
People have been saying such things for 70 years. But we never get anywhere unless we challenge our preconceptions.
Let me give you an example. I hired a designer a couple years ago. 5 or 6 resumes were filtered through HR. I dismissed one without even looking at her book because, based on when she graduated college, I knew she was older. My unwitting assumption was that an older designer couldn't give me that fresh, edgy kind of design my team was looking for. I interviewed the others. Unimpressed, I brought her in. She blew me away, I hired her and she's been my best designer ever since.
What I did was bullshit. And wrong. It's why companies put measures in place to avoid this kind of discrimination. We all discriminate. All the time. Based on age, gender, race, religion, politics, disability, the minivan in the left lane with the Trump sticker....hell, even the sound of one's name. I'm for whatever measures can help us challenge our preconceptions and help us determine the best candidate regardless of those factors.
Good thing you hired her, otherwise she coulda sued your ass.
Why did you only have 5 or 6 to choose from? Did somebody pare down your choices by using preconceptions and judgements?
Why would you say that? HR obviously pared them down based on experience and qualifications for the position.
Your 2nd paragraph made me laugh out loud. Apparently, you think judging people based on race, religion, etc is no different than making a judgement about the temperature of the stove. I'm going to put that one in my notes! LOL.
So now, you're the one who did the racist action, and you're pointing the racism finger at others. LOL
I'd love some of you to go to the neighborhoods I worked in when I was working on the South Side of Chicago. If you don't have a little bit of knowledge about your environment, you weren't long for your life. I took one turn down a wrong street and was lucky to come out alive as they saw I didn't belong. There were some learned stereotypes, but any non-moron knew that it doesn't represent an entire race, age, class, sex or whatever, and it doesn't make a candidate of these "lesser" when it comes to hiring for a job. Only somebody with an issue applies it in those situations. Some people are great at exploiting isolated situations that they've experienced and applying the wrong they perpetuated on others to everyone else, and then claiming how great they are. See it every day, and it borders on ridiculous.
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