Quote: @Mike Olson said:
Going for 2 when they shouldn't have.
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10) Vikings coach Mike Zimmer planted the seed for Minnesota’s defeat late in the third quarter, not with his fourth-down decision in the final 2 minutes.
Minnesota cut Seattle’s lead to 21-19 with a little more than 3 minutes to play in the third. Zimmer foolishly attempted a two-point conversion. It failed.
In a close game, there’s zero reason to go for two points until the final 6 minutes of the fourth quarter. There’s no reason to chase points when there are multiple possessions left in the game.
Had Zimmer kicked the PAT late in the third quarter and made the score 21-20, his decision late in the fourth quarter would have been simple. Ice the game with a chip-shot field goal by going up nine points.
You follow?
Add the extra point, and the score would’ve been 27-21 when Zimmer chose to go for it on fourth-and-inches at the Seattle 6-yard line. Minnesota could’ve kicked a 24-yard field goal and made it a two-score game.
Coaches chase points in the second and third quarters all the time. It’s stupid. They should let the game play out.
Zimmer blew the game in the third quarter.
Agreed, no need to go for 2 that early in the game...
I was 50-50 on the call.
It’s not a horrible call either way, and we’ve been burned many, many
more times by being conservative. I
think if you take the FG, you’ve got to treat that as a 50-50 on stopping the 2
point conversion.
I have more issue with the playcall going right behind Samia
and the RB not following the hole that opened up outside.
I like the aggressive attitude. I’d much rather lose aggressively than lose
in a prevent defense. We’ve lacked that
killer instinct for so long and we’ll win more often with the killer instinct.
Quote: @GermanVike said:
love the decision to go for it, hate the call. Why run behind Samia of all people when we've been drubbing them on the left side all game long?
^This^
Quote: @HappyViking said:
Going for it was the right call for a 1- 3 team, IMO. What's there to lose, the game? Big deal that this team is now 1-4 in this crap season. I was hoping they'd do a QB sneak or run left. Ham was stuffed on that huge 4th down, bummer.
if Cousins for the QB keeper is the answer, burn the question. after him trying that sneak on the 2 point attempt, I hope I never see a play again where it calls for him to carry the ball. that was so so bad on so many levels.
Quote: @LabGeek said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ LabGeek said:
Yeah, I agree that Zimmer made the right call there. Get the first and the game is over.
Hit the chip-shot FG and the Seahawks need 2 scores (TD and2-point conversion) just to TIE. Miss the yardage and they need 1 score to WIN. How is that the right call??
Some Zimmer supporters claim if we have continuity with him the Vikings will eventually win a championship. But how many teams have a Super Bowl run with 3 easy blowout victories? Very few. Somewhere on the path there will be some crucial decisions like last night, and we have a coach who consistently makes the right decision. So even if they get another great season like 2013, we will lose a close playoff game.
Are some people actually surprised Zimmer was outcoached by Carroll?? Good grief, there was no reason to expect otherwise. Zimmer is the inferior coach in ever category:
Head to head: Carroll leads 5-0Reg. season record: Carroll is 138-90 (60.5%), Zimmer is 58-42 (.579)
Playoff record: Carroll is 11-9, Zimmer is 2-3Super Bowls: Carroll is 1-1, Zimmer has never sniffed one
He was against one of the top 3-5 head coaches currently in the NFL. Zimmer is mentioned as top 10 only because his owners have kept him around so faithfully.
I'm not necessarily a "Zimmer supporter", just that my mentality is/was the Vikings had the ball and the opportunity to close it out. An ending where Wilson never touches the ball and doesn't get the opportunity to do what he did. In Zimmer's spot, a 1-3 team, on the road, with a chance to closeout a win against a 4-0 team; in my opinion, you make that same call 10 of 10 times. But that's jus me...
my blame goes on Zimmer only in that he didnt over-ride the play call to try and sneak Cousins on the 2, (which should have been a 1 IMO) and then again to try and run behind Samia.... I dont care how PFF collinsworth and anybody else graded Samias run blocking, he sucked more often than not and even when he did engage a defender they still often made the plays around him.
what I cant understand is how bad Samia is now. who is responsible for screwing him up this bad? He was better coming out of college than he is now IMO.
Going on 4th was questionable, but going for two that early in the game was an inexcusable error. There was going to be more scoring in the game, so it was more important to get the point at that time. Seattle ended up scoring a TD on the last drive, so the 4th down call basically came down to if you felt more confident in getting a half yard or stopping a two point conversion or winning in OT. I would say having to pick up a half yard gave us the best odds to win. We lost the game on poor execution of play, it basically came down to who wanted it more on that play.
Really unfortunate, because the team played by far their best game of the year. They really dominated the Seahawks. When you win time of possession 40-20 there is no way you should lose the game.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I don't know....playing an undefeated team on the road, basically outplayed them for 3 quarters, easily could have won the game even with the mistakes if Mattison had kept his eyes open. Seems to me the coaching staff had the right gameplan.
I've seen on here blaming Cousins, Zimmer, the offensive line, etc. Its a shit show of blame with a loss on this board. I just don't have that feeling after this game. Surprisingly enough, Minnesota could very easily be 3-2 right now. They aren't of course and that's a problem. But other than feeling like its a shitty way to lose and so Vikings to go out like that, they played pretty well. I was surprised actually.
That's just it. Nobody expected this game to be close (well, except one idiot). Vikings go out and dominate the 1st half. Then make a series of errors, letting Seattle come back and take the lead. What was it? Three TDs in less than two minutes? Jesus. But here's the kicker: Vikings stopped that bleeding and then went out and dominated again for most of the 4th quarter! THAT impressed the hell outta me.
Yeah we lost in a painfully familiar way, and that totally flips the narrative of what really happened. But it shouldn't take away the fact that the Vikings have proven they can play with anyone. And they're not as bad as people think and they're nowhere near as bad as their record.
Quote: @SouthCarolinaViking said:
@ Mike Olson said:
Going for 2 when they shouldn't have.
https://www.outkick.com/whitlocks-nfl-tr...on-rivers/
10) Vikings coach Mike Zimmer planted the seed for Minnesota’s defeat late in the third quarter, not with his fourth-down decision in the final 2 minutes.
Minnesota cut Seattle’s lead to 21-19 with a little more than 3 minutes to play in the third. Zimmer foolishly attempted a two-point conversion. It failed.
In a close game, there’s zero reason to go for two points until the final 6 minutes of the fourth quarter. There’s no reason to chase points when there are multiple possessions left in the game.
Had Zimmer kicked the PAT late in the third quarter and made the score 21-20, his decision late in the fourth quarter would have been simple. Ice the game with a chip-shot field goal by going up nine points.
You follow?
Add the extra point, and the score would’ve been 27-21 when Zimmer chose to go for it on fourth-and-inches at the Seattle 6-yard line. Minnesota could’ve kicked a 24-yard field goal and made it a two-score game.
Coaches chase points in the second and third quarters all the time. It’s stupid. They should let the game play out.
Zimmer blew the game in the third quarter.
Forgot about that 2 point attempt....not sure I agree that it was wrong to try to tie the game. I think that's the math that all coaches use, whether it's in the final 6 minutes or the first 6 minutes. Hell, I think there are coaches who advocate two on every PAT.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Yeah we lost in a painfully familiar way, and that totally flips the narrative of what really happened. But it shouldn't take away the fact that the Vikings have proven they can play with anyone. And they're not as bad as people think and they're nowhere near as bad as their record.
Sure, OK, but "nowhere near as bad as their record" just means, "We're not terrible, we're mediocre!!"..? Tired of that. I'm sure you're right, they will crawl up to about 6-10 and then hold up that "improvement", and the injuries, and some losses like last night, and bring back the GM and coach and QB next year. Oh joy.
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