Quote: @"pumpf" said:
I don't understand the anti-Christian bigotry that some folks have, that they absolutely cannot let a statement of faith by Christians stand on its own without interjecting their own opinion. It's almost like they are trying to "convert" others to unbelief. Weird.
Because you're an incredibly annoying people. I'm not even nearly as militant against religion as I used to be. I have a few friends who are very religious and that's fine. But my god, so often - like in this thread - I find myself thinking, "Why can't religious people just shut the fuck up from time to time?"
Quote: @"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
Quote: @"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
The "jump to atheism" came from you, and the atheist mantra that you offered. I'm not naive.
As for anti-Christian bigotry: it is rife with some of you. Then again, I think some folks generally hate anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that they do; so it's not just limited to religion. When Christians are slaughtered on Easter- the holiest day of the Christian calendar- I think they would be glad that their deaths were remembered: not as an end but a beginning. It may not be what YOU (or KB) would want said on the day of your deaths. But it IS what they would want. They were Christians after all: the kind who were willing to risk their lives in order to worship- and witness to- their risen Savior. So, to reject that message is to insult their memory.
Quote: @"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
The "jump to atheism" came from you, and the atheist mantra that you offered. I'm not naive.
As for anti-Christian bigotry: it is rife with some of you. Then again, I think some folks generally hate anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that they do; so it's not just limited to religion. When Christians are slaughtered on Easter- the holiest day of the Christian calendar- I think they would be glad that their deaths were remembered: not as an end but a beginning. It may not be what YOU (or KB) would want said on the day of your deaths. But it IS what they would want. They were Christians after all: the kind who were willing to risk their lives in order to worship- and witness to- their risen Savior. So, to reject that message is to insult their memory.
Its not an 'atheist mantra' and I never brought that up, you did. I'm not atheist. But keep overreacting and labeling, it goes with the territory of religion. You see this so called anti-Christian bigotry around every corner, you bring that up CONSTANTLY. Its certainly out there, just not every time somebody pushes back, pumpf.
Quote: @"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
The "jump to atheism" came from you, and the atheist mantra that you offered. I'm not naive.
As for anti-Christian bigotry: it is rife with some of you. Then again, I think some folks generally hate anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that they do; so it's not just limited to religion. When Christians are slaughtered on Easter- the holiest day of the Christian calendar- I think they would be glad that their deaths were remembered: not as an end but a beginning. It may not be what YOU (or KB) would want said on the day of your deaths. But it IS what they would want. They were Christians after all: the kind who were willing to risk their lives in order to worship- and witness to- their risen Savior. So, to reject that message is to insult their memory.
It's your rush to make it all about Christianity that's annoying to me personally. I saw the news, I thought, "Holy shit, who are these monsters?" and then I saw what you posted instead. My reaction was just very different than yours. But... whatever. I'll just never think like that. Instead, my head goes to, "Oh look, religious people being assholes to other religious people again for no reason. What else is new?"
Quote: @"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
The "jump to atheism" came from you, and the atheist mantra that you offered. I'm not naive.
As for anti-Christian bigotry: it is rife with some of you. Then again, I think some folks generally hate anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that they do; so it's not just limited to religion. When Christians are slaughtered on Easter- the holiest day of the Christian calendar- I think they would be glad that their deaths were remembered: not as an end but a beginning. It may not be what YOU (or KB) would want said on the day of your deaths. But it IS what they would want. They were Christians after all: the kind who were willing to risk their lives in order to worship- and witness to- their risen Savior. So, to reject that message is to insult their memory.
Its not an 'atheist mantra' and I never brought that up, you did. I'm not atheist. But keep overreacting and labeling, it goes with the territory of religion. You see this so called anti-Christian bigotry around every corner, you bring that up CONSTANTLY. Its certainly out there, just not every time somebody pushes back, pumpf.
If I bring it up constantly, I'm sure you can find proof of that, right? You would be doing me a favor if you could, because I'm unaware of it.
As for the atheist mantra, actually it is. Whenever there is a tragedy... and someone offers up their "thoughts and prayers", the ones quickest to decry that sentiment are those who don't believe that "thoughts and prayers" do any good. Any Christian worth their salt knows that prayer is the normal, expected response of a Christian. The only people who would reject that... would be the people who reject God's Word (i.e. "atheists").
Of course, you can feel free to correct me on that, too, if you like. Can you please find the Biblical passage that discourages prayer and give Christians the impression that their prayers are pointless?
Quote: @"KingBash" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
The "jump to atheism" came from you, and the atheist mantra that you offered. I'm not naive.
As for anti-Christian bigotry: it is rife with some of you. Then again, I think some folks generally hate anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that they do; so it's not just limited to religion. When Christians are slaughtered on Easter- the holiest day of the Christian calendar- I think they would be glad that their deaths were remembered: not as an end but a beginning. It may not be what YOU (or KB) would want said on the day of your deaths. But it IS what they would want. They were Christians after all: the kind who were willing to risk their lives in order to worship- and witness to- their risen Savior. So, to reject that message is to insult their memory.
It's your rush to make it all about Christianity that's annoying to me personally. I saw the news, I thought, "Holy shit, who are these monsters?" and then I saw what you posted instead. My reaction was just very different than yours. But... whatever. I'll just never think like that. Instead, my head goes to, "Oh look, religious people being assholes to other religious people again for no reason. What else is new?"
Umm... actually, it was the monster's who made it about Christianity. Did you read the article?
Isn't it interesting... that when 30 Muslims get killed in New Zealand there is a world-wide outcry about it. But when over 200 Christians are killed... meh.
As for being an a-hole... you're going to have to explain that one. I pointed out that the people who were killed believed in the Resurrection (which is what Easter is all about); so- at least- there was a "silver lining" (if you want to call it that): they are now in Heaven. And that makes me an A-hole... how?
Quote: @"pumpf" said:
@"KingBash" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
@"pumpf" said:
@"StickyBun" said:
'Thoughts and prayers' are never going to change anything in this world.
If you want to pit the positive contributions of Christians (and the negatives) vs. the positive (and negative) contributions of atheists, let's go.
LMAO, c'mon now pumpf!! Now THAT is hilarious.
And how did we make the jump to atheism? And to 'anti Christian bigotry'?? You protest way too much, methinks.
The "jump to atheism" came from you, and the atheist mantra that you offered. I'm not naive.
As for anti-Christian bigotry: it is rife with some of you. Then again, I think some folks generally hate anyone who doesn't see the world the same way that they do; so it's not just limited to religion. When Christians are slaughtered on Easter- the holiest day of the Christian calendar- I think they would be glad that their deaths were remembered: not as an end but a beginning. It may not be what YOU (or KB) would want said on the day of your deaths. But it IS what they would want. They were Christians after all: the kind who were willing to risk their lives in order to worship- and witness to- their risen Savior. So, to reject that message is to insult their memory.
It's your rush to make it all about Christianity that's annoying to me personally. I saw the news, I thought, "Holy shit, who are these monsters?" and then I saw what you posted instead. My reaction was just very different than yours. But... whatever. I'll just never think like that. Instead, my head goes to, "Oh look, religious people being assholes to other religious people again for no reason. What else is new?"
Umm... actually, it was the monster's who made it about Christianity. Did you read the article?
Actually no. I didn't think I needed to, I'd seen the news. Yeah, we're in agreement. The real monsters are the terrorists for sure.
Isn't it interesting... that when 30 Muslims get killed in New Zealand there is a world-wide outcry about it. But when over 200 Christians are killed... meh.
This is why I'm annoyed with you. You burn so many calories on this. You're so team-Christian oriented. You'd think you of all people would value all life equally, but you're just sounding like an asshole. You're whining about Christians not getting the same kind of pity that Muslims did. That does two things: 1) It insinuates that you're suggesting that those Muslims that died are less important. And 2) there was a massive outcry yesterday. It was all over the news. All my "liberal" news sources I subscribe to on my phone had breaking news alerts on the lock screen when I rolled over. So stop with the victim mentality.
As for being an a-hole... you're going to have to explain that one. I pointed out that the people who were killed believed in the Resurrection (which is what Easter is all about); so- at least- there was a "silver lining" (if you want to call it that): they are now in Heaven. And that makes me an A-hole... how?
Alright, maybe asshole is a little harsh but Jesus you guys are annoying with that stuff haha.
And, for what it's worth: over 6000 Christians have been killed in Nigeria since January. And I'll be you didn't know that.
No, of course not. And I'm just as outraged at that as I am about a white supremacist killing Muslims. I detest all religions, I generally can't stand devoted followers, but I draw the line at anything past heated discourse. And that goes for everybody: Muslims, Christians, Jews, etc... I just don't understand how people have hard time not killing each other over retarded shit.
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See?! This is what religion does. A bunch of retards now escalating tension over nothing.
https://www.salon.com/2019/04/21/rethinking-easter-through-paul-the-apostle-why-evangelicals-get-it-wrong/
I wanted to share an article in the spirit of this discussion. Many dont understand the gospel and can more readily identify with a 100% human who was appointed Gods greatest human teacher. If you struggle to easily interpret the gospel, you may identify with Paul, in understanding better that a christian faith is simply about living and dying as Christ lived and died, not about keeping score or condemning others
Edit- read the first 12 verses of phillipians 3 to see in text the walk of Paul
Quote: @"KingBash" said:
Unless I missed it, I don't see what religion has to do with the link you posted. Christians got massacred on Sunday... and now some more people got attacked... and "religion" is to blame? As someone was trying to point out (I think) previously in this post: people are evil and do evil things. And I mourned- and prayed- when the 30 Muslims were killed. I think we both agree that both events were tragedies. Although I think it would be intellectually honest to say that 200 people getting killed is a bigger tragedy than 30 being killed. I doesn't mean that the death of the 30 are not tragic; just that there's less victims. But to those personally connected to the deceased, the numbers don't matter at all. There could be no greater tragedy (to them) than the loss of their loved one.
And I really don't understand all the angst that my post created. Christians were killed on Easter... the holy-day which guarantees them that- after they die- they will live again. Easter is Good News for Christians. That's all I was doing: reminding those who mourned, that the people who died were receiving the goal of their faith.
And no, Bullazin, the Christian faith is NOT about being like Christ. Unless you mean that we will become like Him- after we, ourselves, are raised to new life. Other than that, you have completely missed Paul's point. The people that Paul warned about were the Judaizers: Christians who said that you had to follow the Law in order to follow Christ. You're doing the same thing that the Judaizers did: claiming that- in order to be a Christian- you have to DO something. You don't. It's not really all that hard to interpret: "not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith".
And, since you're interested in Paul's writings, you may be familiar with this nugget (from the 2nd chapter of his letter to the Ephesians): But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved... For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast." Or this one, from Rom. 3: "For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus"
I could go on, but the point is that your article is horribly wrong regarding Paul, his writings and the emphases of his theology. Although Christians are most assuredly supposed to live lives that reflect the goodness of God... that's not the point. The point is that our righteousness (right standing before God) comes not through our own efforts to be "good" (which could never be good enough), but rather through the gift of grace that comes to us by faith. Paul preached many sermons / wrote many letters against the very message of the Salon article. That shouldn't be too surprising though, considering how little they know about Christian history or content. The article begins by calling Paul the "inventor" of Christianity: which is just plain wrong on so many levels. And their hermeneutics just get worse from there. "Re-thinking Easter" is nothing more than a modernist attempt to undermine the Gospel. It basically takes Paul completely out of any other Biblical context and presents him as some kind of independent writer, whose writings had nothing to do with his own experiences and beliefs... and everything to do with the modern, liberal idea of "goodness". It's all a lie. Even the comment about the "theory of substitution" is wrong. But this writer is not a serious theologian, so I wouldn't expect that they would know anything other than what other, like-minded people have told them. This is the same guy that said the Resurrection shouldn't be taken literally, but rather should be viewed from the post-modernist perspective (my word not his) that it could mean different things for different people- but that it really WASN'T about being alive again (and certainly not about any kind of reunion with God in heaven) but rather a new way of living and thinking. To him Paul would say: "If in Christ we have hope in this life only, we are of all people most to be pitied."
Jay Parmini is a gifted writer. But he's no theologian.
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