On a related note, we now have the 33rd highest paid offensive line! 
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ medaille said:
I can’t imagine there was any real mutual belief that
Remmers would be starting. It would have
been a deal to be a backup swing tackle, which would have been excellent if he’d
have accepted it. That said, I think it
makes a lot of sense for him to try and get another RT gig. He’ll probably get something better than what
Hill got, or at least he should.
That's how I read it as well. Can't let EVERYBODY walk until you know for a fact you've got some folks coming in and Remmers would have been a decent depth piece at Swing Tackle like you mentioned.
To be honest, I think the Vikings will be better off with Hill at swing backup than Remmers.
Let's say we're able to bring in Ju'wain James at RT, that moves O'Neill to the left and, presumably, Reiff inside to LG. That potentially upgrades 3 positions on the OL. 5 if you then draft a center like Bradbury or McCoy and move Elflein to RG. Or you could just draft the RG (Ford, Risner, Lindstrom) and leave Elflein at center. Hill, Easton and Collins are pretty good depth.
I guess my basic point is that 1 free agent and 1 draft pick can do a lot to improve this OL. And I suspect that we'll draft more than one in the first 4 rounds.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
In what way? That Minnesota wanted him to take a cut or that he believes he can make more elsewhere?
After seeing the Bengals give Bobby Hart a 3 year 21 mil deal, I am sure he and his agent are fine with testing the market.
Plus, there could be some bad feelings after being moved to guard when he was signed to be a tackle. I could understand why he decided not to take a cut in pay after switching positions.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ FSUVike said:
In what way? That Minnesota wanted him to take a cut or that he believes he can make more elsewhere?
After seeing the Bengals give Bobby Hart a 3 year 21 mil deal, I am sure he and his agent are fine with testing the market.
Plus, there could be some bad feelings after being moved to guard when he was signed to be a tackle. I could understand why he decided not to take a cut in pay after switching positions.
I thought about that but wouldn't Rick have laid out to Mike and his Agent before they signed him that he was thinking about moving him inside at some point during the deal? Otherwise, why not complain about the move last year?
I read it as Remmers betting that if he lost the RT gig (and was never better than League Average at best at Tackle) that he could still have a lucrative latter half of his career as a Guard.
And then he learned quite rudely that he sucks at Guard and wants to suckered one last team into giving him Starting RT money like Kalil did to Carolina.
I mean, there's literally over a billion dollars available for one of the worst FA Pools I've ever seen and that money has to go to someone.
The Landon Collins deal. The Kwon Alexander deal. The Foles deal. The Bobby Hart resigning that you mentioned. Smart move by Remmers and his camp to try and get in on the bonanza happening right now if he can.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Maybe I'm overly hopeful, but I want to move so far beyond guys like Remmers and Compton that they become just painful memories.
A. Men.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ medaille said:
I can’t imagine there was any real mutual belief that
Remmers would be starting. It would have
been a deal to be a backup swing tackle, which would have been excellent if he’d
have accepted it. That said, I think it
makes a lot of sense for him to try and get another RT gig. He’ll probably get something better than what
Hill got, or at least he should.
That's how I read it as well. Can't let EVERYBODY walk until you know for a fact you've got some folks coming in and Remmers would have been a decent depth piece at Swing Tackle like you mentioned.
To be honest, I think the Vikings will be better off with Hill at swing backup than Remmers.
Let's say we're able to bring in Ju'wain James at RT, that moves O'Neill to the left and, presumably, Reiff inside to LG. That potentially upgrades 3 positions on the OL. 5 if you then draft a center like Bradbury or McCoy and move Elflein to RG. Or you could just draft the RG (Ford, Risner, Lindstrom) and leave Elflein at center. Hill, Easton and Collins are pretty good depth.
I guess my basic point is that 1 free agent and 1 draft pick can do a lot to improve this OL. And I suspect that we'll draft more than one in the first 4 rounds.
I just don't think moving Elf will work. I understand he was better at Guard in college, but last year he gave up tons of pressures from a position that is usually part of a double team.
I'm sure a lot of that is lack of conditioning that prevented him from getting all his strength back after the injury. But he was never a mauler to begin with.
You draft Bradbury and now you've got a light, technically-oriented Center AND Right Guard. In a Division full of monster DTs.
A stouter dude like Lidstrom makes more sense to me. Leave Elf at Center, bring back Easton as a backup Center if Elf continues to struggle who competes for the LG spot, add a Tier 2 Veteran, a mid-round dude to force Isadora to step up or out and commit Collins to Guard. Plus Edison might develop with the new Coaches.
Really, unless they land Saffold which I highly doubt, or James, which I'm rooting against as I don't want to rush O'Neill moving to LT, part of the answer for next year is going to involve one of the younger guys taking a step forward under Dennison.
Quote: @Ralphie said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Maybe I'm overly hopeful, but I want to move so far beyond guys like Remmers and Compton that they become just painful memories.
A. Men.
I know nothing about grading offensive linemen but from high lights I saw of Hill, I would have to add him to the list of players we need to get beyond.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ FSUVike said:
In what way? That Minnesota wanted him to take a cut or that he believes he can make more elsewhere?
After seeing the Bengals give Bobby Hart a 3 year 21 mil deal, I am sure he and his agent are fine with testing the market.
Plus, there could be some bad feelings after being moved to guard when he was signed to be a tackle. I could understand why he decided not to take a cut in pay after switching positions.
I thought about that but wouldn't Rick have laid out to Mike and his Agent before they signed him that he was thinking about moving him inside at some point during the deal? Otherwise, why not complain about the move last year?
I read it as Remmers betting that if he lost the RT gig (and was never better than League Average at best at Tackle) that he could still have a lucrative latter half of his career as a Guard.
And then he learned quite rudely that he sucks at Guard and wants to suckered one last team into giving him Starting RT money like Kalil did to Carolina.
I mean, there's literally over a billion dollars available for one of the worst FA Pools I've ever seen and that money has to go to someone.
The Landon Collins deal. The Kwon Alexander deal. The Foles deal. The Bobby Hart resigning that you mentioned. Smart move by Remmers and his camp to try and get in on the bonanza happening right now if he can.
The Alexander signing was crazy! Barr is surely looking at that and he were smart he better get signed early.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ medaille said:
I can’t imagine there was any real mutual belief that
Remmers would be starting. It would have
been a deal to be a backup swing tackle, which would have been excellent if he’d
have accepted it. That said, I think it
makes a lot of sense for him to try and get another RT gig. He’ll probably get something better than what
Hill got, or at least he should.
That's how I read it as well. Can't let EVERYBODY walk until you know for a fact you've got some folks coming in and Remmers would have been a decent depth piece at Swing Tackle like you mentioned.
To be honest, I think the Vikings will be better off with Hill at swing backup than Remmers.
Let's say we're able to bring in Ju'wain James at RT, that moves O'Neill to the left and, presumably, Reiff inside to LG. That potentially upgrades 3 positions on the OL. 5 if you then draft a center like Bradbury or McCoy and move Elflein to RG. Or you could just draft the RG (Ford, Risner, Lindstrom) and leave Elflein at center. Hill, Easton and Collins are pretty good depth.
I guess my basic point is that 1 free agent and 1 draft pick can do a lot to improve this OL. And I suspect that we'll draft more than one in the first 4 rounds.
I just don't think moving Elf will work. I understand he was better at Guard in college, but last year he gave up tons of pressures from a position that is usually part of a double team.
I'm sure a lot of that is lack of conditioning that prevented him from getting all his strength back after the injury. But he was never a mauler to begin with.
You draft Bradbury and now you've got a light, technically-oriented Center AND Right Guard. In a Division full of monster DTs.
A stouter dude like Lidstrom makes more sense to me. Leave Elf at Center, bring back Easton as a backup Center if Elf continues to struggle who competes for the LG spot, add a Tier 2 Veteran, a mid-round dude to force Isadora to step up or out and commit Collins to Guard. Plus Edison might develop with the new Coaches.
Really, unless they land Saffold which I highly doubt, or James, which I'm rooting against as I don't want to rush O'Neill moving to LT, part of the answer for next year is going to involve one of the younger guys taking a step forward under Dennison.
This is so true.
Akiem Hicks is 332 lbs and Eddie Goldman is 320 lbs.
Damon "Snacks" Harrison is 353 lbs and A'Shawn Robinson is 322 lbs.
Kenny Clark is 314 and Mike Daniels is 310 lbs. Not too much worry but they are decent.
Vikings might want athletic linemen that can move but they also have to anchor.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ FSUVike said:
@ medaille said:
I can’t imagine there was any real mutual belief that
Remmers would be starting. It would have
been a deal to be a backup swing tackle, which would have been excellent if he’d
have accepted it. That said, I think it
makes a lot of sense for him to try and get another RT gig. He’ll probably get something better than what
Hill got, or at least he should.
That's how I read it as well. Can't let EVERYBODY walk until you know for a fact you've got some folks coming in and Remmers would have been a decent depth piece at Swing Tackle like you mentioned.
To be honest, I think the Vikings will be better off with Hill at swing backup than Remmers.
Let's say we're able to bring in Ju'wain James at RT, that moves O'Neill to the left and, presumably, Reiff inside to LG. That potentially upgrades 3 positions on the OL. 5 if you then draft a center like Bradbury or McCoy and move Elflein to RG. Or you could just draft the RG (Ford, Risner, Lindstrom) and leave Elflein at center. Hill, Easton and Collins are pretty good depth.
I guess my basic point is that 1 free agent and 1 draft pick can do a lot to improve this OL. And I suspect that we'll draft more than one in the first 4 rounds.
I just don't think moving Elf will work. I understand he was better at Guard in college, but last year he gave up tons of pressures from a position that is usually part of a double team.
I'm sure a lot of that is lack of conditioning that prevented him from getting all his strength back after the injury. But he was never a mauler to begin with.
You draft Bradbury and now you've got a light, technically-oriented Center AND Right Guard. In a Division full of monster DTs.
A stouter dude like Lidstrom makes more sense to me. Leave Elf at Center, bring back Easton as a backup Center if Elf continues to struggle who competes for the LG spot, add a Tier 2 Veteran, a mid-round dude to force Isadora to step up or out and commit Collins to Guard. Plus Edison might develop with the new Coaches.
Really, unless they land Saffold which I highly doubt, or James, which I'm rooting against as I don't want to rush O'Neill moving to LT, part of the answer for next year is going to involve one of the younger guys taking a step forward under Dennison.
Chris Lindstrom really would be a perfect pick for the Vikings... like I said before, he's the best (IMO) out of all the interior guys that are projected to go early given our scheme and positional needs.
I'd take him at 18 and be done with it. Is that a little early for a G? Probably... but sometimes talent, need, and scheme fit far outweigh these "out-dated draft tenants" that say you can't draft this position before x-pick/round. Look at Travis Frederick... Everyone laughed when the Cowboys took him in the first... Damn good player. Then you have guys like DeCastro, Zack Martin, etc. going in the back half of the first round and who cares if you take them at 18 or in the 20's... BFD.
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