Quote: @minny65 said:
Viking fan for 43 years.
Zimmer is the best coach we have had since Green and maybe better. Green was known for building up great offenses and so-so defenses. So far, I would say Zimmer is the opposite.
I'd say Zimmer has built quite an offense. Or Spielman, in reality. But look, no team is perfect. No team has elite units across the board, but even the Vikings offense is probably better than average at every unit except for the line. QB, TE, WR, RB....all very good units. But they're not playing like it. We saw glimpses of a very good offense in the first half of the season, but teams eventually figured out what Flip was doing, to the point where they knew the play call based on the formation.
There's not enough time to tear it all down and rebuild it, but my hope is that Stef can at least reevaluate the schematics, the plays, the line, the receivers, the backs and the QB, figure out what it is they do well and what it is they don't do well, push the strengths, pull the weaknesses and get them all back in sync. And for the love of God, be a little less predictable.
For me Zim is officially on show me time. 5 years, one playoff win that too a DB falling down to win isn’t doing it for me.
Show me something by the end of the year. If that doesn’t happen and he is back next year, my buy in on this team will be as low as it has ever been. I would likely have to be wowed to get excited for them again.
I just don’t think the guy is HC material. He still sucks at managing a clock.
Viking fans are a feisty bunch this December. Rightfully so...
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Viking fan for 43 years.
Zimmer is the best coach we have had since Green and maybe better. Green was known for building up great offenses and so-so defenses. So far, I would say Zimmer is the opposite.
I'd say Zimmer has built quite an offense. Or Spielman, in reality. But look, no team is perfect. No team has elite units across the board, but even the Vikings offense is probably better than average at every unit except for the line. QB, TE, WR, RB....all very good units. But they're not playing like it. We saw glimpses of a very good offense in the first half of the season, but teams eventually figured out what Flip was doing, to the point where they knew the play call based on the formation.
There's not enough time to tear it all down and rebuild it, but my hope is that Stef can at least reevaluate the schematics, the plays, the line, the receivers, the backs and the QB, figure out what it is they do well and what it is they don't do well, push the strengths, pull the weaknesses and get them all back in sync. And for the love of God, be a little less predictable.
Agreed. The talent on this team with the exception of the O-line is incredible. And it isn't just drafting, there are many mid to late picks/UDFAs that are contributing at a high level. Much of that is on the head coach and the people he has brought in. They are teachers and have developed so many. Anthony Harris, Holton Hill, Weatherly, and Hunter on D. Thielen, Diggs, Elflein and O'Neill on offense. I include O'Neill because he is a rookie that most said was a reach or a project at best and he is now one of the best on our line. These guys aren't just starting, but playing excellent football. Elf is a bit overmatched because he lacks the strength from his offseason surgeries, but was the best lineman we had last year.
The offense overachieved last year and has floundered this year. But that doesn't take away the talent we have. It just needs a good game day play caller to unlock it.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Viking fan for 43 years.
Zimmer is the best coach we have had since Green and maybe better. Green was known for building up great offenses and so-so defenses. So far, I would say Zimmer is the opposite.
I'd say Zimmer has built quite an offense. Or Spielman, in reality. But look, no team is perfect. No team has elite units across the board, but even the Vikings offense is probably better than average at every unit except for the line. QB, TE, WR, RB....all very good units. But they're not playing like it. We saw glimpses of a very good offense in the first half of the season, but teams eventually figured out what Flip was doing, to the point where they knew the play call based on the formation.
There's not enough time to tear it all down and rebuild it, but my hope is that Stef can at least reevaluate the schematics, the plays, the line, the receivers, the backs and the QB, figure out what it is they do well and what it is they don't do well, push the strengths, pull the weaknesses and get them all back in sync. And for the love of God, be a little less predictable.
Agreed. The talent on this team with the exception of the O-line is incredible. And it isn't just drafting, there are many mid to late picks/UDFAs that are contributing at a high level. Much of that is on the head coach and the people he has brought in. They are teachers and have developed so many. Anthony Harris, Holton Hill, Weatherly, and Hunter on D. Thielen, Diggs, Elflein and O'Neill on offense. I include O'Neill because he is a rookie that most said was a reach or a project at best and he is now one of the best on our line. These guys aren't just starting, but playing excellent football. Elf is a bit overmatched because he lacks the strength from his offseason surgeries, but was the best lineman we had last year.
The offense overachieved last year and has floundered this year. But that doesn't take away the talent we have. It just needs a good game day play caller to unlock it.
Agree. And thanks for the reminder....I think one of the big positives from the Seattle game was the play of Holton Hill. Guy's got a bright future.
Yes we have underachieved with all the talent on this team, why? And is there anyone in particular responsible for that?
Quote: @minny65 said:
Yes we have underachieved with all the talent on this team, why? And is there anyone in particular responsible for that?
I think we're all hoping it was Flip! And in all honestly, he's the most likely candidate. Like I've said before, we've seen Cousins play really well. We know what Cook and Thielen and Diggs and Rudolph are capable of. And there ways to mitigate outmatched offensive linemen. It takes a good OC to make it happen. I think Flip was in over his head. I saw the same look in his eye that I used to see in Ponder's. Fear, chaos, uncertainty.
I really had high hopes for Flip when we hired him. But I also said that the one thing we couldn't know was how he would handle play calling. Because IMO it's a totally different thing than designing an offense. It's about timing, rhythm and momentum. It's like a dance. You can either dance or you can't. Flip can't dance. Worse, he couldn't adjust his game plan on the fly to address what the defense was doing either. Let's hope that Stefanski is more the rising young mind than we all thought Flip was.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Yes we have underachieved with all the talent on this team, why? And is there anyone in particular responsible for that?
I think we're all hoping it was Flip! And in all honestly, he's the most likely candidate. Like I've said before, we've seen Cousins play really well. We know what Cook and Thielen and Diggs and Rudolph are capable of. And there ways to mitigate outmatched offensive linemen. It takes a good OC to make it happen. I think Flip was in over his head. I saw the same look in his eye that I used to see in Ponder's. Fear, chaos, uncertainty.
I really had high hopes for Flip when we hired him. But I also said that the one thing we couldn't know was how he would handle play calling. Because IMO it's a totally different thing than designing an offense. It's about timing, rhythm and momentum. It's like a dance. You can either dance or you can't. Flip can't dance. Worse, he couldn't adjust his game plan on the fly to address what the defense was doing either. Let's hope that Stefanski is more the rising young mind than we all thought Flip was.
Based on the offense overachieving last year with a very talented coordinator, I think that is the general line of thought. Flip was brought in to run the offense, obviously he wasn't up to the task, so blaming him would be logical right now.
Quote: @minny65 said:
Yes we have underachieved with all the talent on this team, why? And is there anyone in particular responsible for that?
In this order
Flip
Compton
Remmers
An underperforming Elflein - he aint the same.
On the + side you've got Hill, Hughes and O'Neil
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ minny65 said:
Yes we have underachieved with all the talent on this team, why? And is there anyone in particular responsible for that?
In this order
Flip
Compton
Remmers
An underperforming Elflein - he aint the same.
On the + side you've got Hill, Hughes and O'Neil
Might want to squeak cousins in on that list...
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