not a racist??? " There are good prople on both sides, on bith sides." that was in reference to Charlottesville. No, sorry, carrying torches and chanting Nazi slogans, driving a car into a crowd of dissenters, killing one. they were the instigators there and should have been denounced by all--not excused by the president.
Hate crimes are up. the response to Puerto Rico as opposed to Houston is mind boggling.
I didnt like W. but never once thought he should be removed from office, except by the ballot box. I don't think anyone, during the Geo W. presidency, ever imagined America could have elected so massively inappropriate, ignorant and unqualified a child as Donald Trump. I think I know you--you are a deeply religious man ( a religion we share) I have faith you cannot truly defend the venality of this "president."
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@ Caactorvike said:
Nothing done by Trump to get a kid so pissed iff?? are you kidding? Hiw about taking kids sway from their families by the thousands? and so far over 500 kids still not united with them and no plan in place to correct this?? how about the pledge to "drain the swamp?" How many if his cabinet have resigned for abusing their oiffice? Hiw manyvtop level advisors indited and convicted? what about the neverending shitstorm of tweets villifying the charcters of so many? withdrawing from the human rights council of the united nations? Gutting the EPA so we have no protections agsinst dirty air snd water? the list goes on and on. To actually sit down and discuss rationally whats going on is a pulic necessity right now. You of course are entitled to you conservative beliefs and I will always defend your right to share them. But dont think for a second Trump wont trampke on your right to do so if it serves his desire to rule.
Even if everything you've said is true (it's not... but I know that you won't be swayed by facts- at least not on the topic of Trump), it still doesn't make any kind of violence acceptable or appropriate. When did "2 wrongs don't make a right" stop being accepted truth? Maybe you're not defending this kid's actions (it sounds like you are, but I may be taking your comments in a way that you didn't intend), but others are/have (and not just in this instance). The whole "antifa" movement is nothing more than a modern-day lynch mob. In fact, I read a story last week about them beating up a guy who was holding an American flag (at some rally). The problem (besides this pansies thinking that mob violence is ever appropriate) is that this guy was on THEIR side. He was trying to show that Americans can be patriotic- and still be opposed to what the gov't is up to. But the lynch-mob didn't bother to converse with the man; they just tried to steal his flag. And when he wouldn't give it up, they attacked him and sent him to the hospital with a big gash to the head. Of course, there are myriad examples of "antifa" attacking journalist. Funny thing, though: since the journalists are in league with "antifa's" grievances... they just "take it".
I know this: if any conservative (or neo-conservative) group was doing what antifa is doing, the media would be DEMANDING that something be done. But since it's a leftist group doing the violence, they will look the other way (or, even worse, DEFEND the group!).
If everyone could just agree that what this student did was wrong (to rip the hat off and then attack the teacher), we might actually start to bridge the gap between the divided parties. But as long as people cling to the "if my side did it, I must defend my side... but if your side did it, it is a crime against humanity"... we're never going to be able to become more united. I would think that leftists would avoid allowing violence to be the way to settle ideological differences; since they are ill-equipped to win that kind of battle.
i thought i made myself clear--sorry if i didnt. i cant defend slapping a teacher--that is TOTALLY wrong. and dhoukd be reported. Knocking a kids hat off? I cant get too worked up about that--a trip to the principal's office? yes. Calling the police and pressing charges?--c'mon.
Quote: @pumpf said:
@ Caactorvike said:
Nothing done by Trump to get a kid so pissed iff?? are you kidding? Hiw about taking kids sway from their families by the thousands? and so far over 500 kids still not united with them and no plan in place to correct this?? how about the pledge to "drain the swamp?" How many if his cabinet have resigned for abusing their oiffice? Hiw manyvtop level advisors indited and convicted? what about the neverending shitstorm of tweets villifying the charcters of so many? withdrawing from the human rights council of the united nations? Gutting the EPA so we have no protections agsinst dirty air snd water? the list goes on and on. To actually sit down and discuss rationally whats going on is a pulic necessity right now. You of course are entitled to you conservative beliefs and I will always defend your right to share them. But dont think for a second Trump wont trampke on your right to do so if it serves his desire to rule.
The whole "antifa" movement is nothing more than a modern-day lynch mob. In fact, I read a story last week about them beating up a guy who was holding an American flag (at some rally).
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@ MaroonBells said:
@ Caactorvike said:
OMG “formally charged” for taking someone’s hat off? the slap is not part of that? thats crazy. Using the event as an opportunity to talk about the political climate, world affairs and appropriate ways to handle those issues etc is a much better approach than jailing a teenager.
Good Lord, if I had a dollar for every hat flipped off a kid's head in high school, I could retire. And what is this "tolerant left" referring to in the OP? We on the left are not at all tolerant. In fact, we're exceptionally INTOLERANT of everything that hat stands for: hate, racism, misogyny.
The problem is that you guys define "hate, racism and mysogyny" as: "anything that I disagree with".
Look, Pumpf, we all know that you're opposed to "the gay" and things like welcoming the stranger, but just like your grandparents, you'll get used to it. Just like they learned to get along with black folks and accept women as equals, you'll eventually accept things like marriage equality, and the idea that there are not "good people on both sides" of a White Supremacy rally. There are two sides: hate and those opposed to that hate. It's pretty clear to me which side you've decided to be on.
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@ Caactorvike said:
not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
I appreciate your willingness to allow ("tolerate") an opposing point of view. For the record, I did not vote for Trump. And I caught alot of heck for it. But I can tell you this: if the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for him (warts and all) because of what "you guys" have done since the election. What you don't seem to understand is that when you label Trump as a "racist", what you are really saying is that anyone who thinks as Trump does (about border policies, for example) is a racist. I don't have a dog in the fight; I think I agree with you when it comes to the personal failings of Trump. I don't think he's a good guy at all. I do think he is a misogynist... and I do think he "hates" certain people (but his objects of hatred have nothing to do with race, lifestyle choices or any of that stuff; he hates people who attack him/irritate him/make him look bad). I won't defend any of his behaviors. But I will point out that those who say they have a problem with Trumps behaviors (and words) never said a peep about Clinton. That tells me that they don't really care about women; it's all about tribal politics. And that's wrong.
So you would vote for Trump because you hate liberals even more. I think that says a lot.
We should simply look at the results of the policies. No need to argue.
Black support went from 9% at election to near 40% now. Obama didn't pardon the grandmother who was serving life for a first drug offense. Obama didn't pardon Jack Johnson. Obama didn't sit with black pastors to reform unfair prison sentences to blacks.
Black unemployment. Women unemployment. Hispanic unemployment. All at all time lows.
It is insane what this man has accomplished. All with a fake media and a deep state that created a fake Russia collusion story.
And you you have to love the Supreme Court picks.
He is fulfilling his campaign promises. The ones he was elected to fulfill.
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not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
you havent used insulting terms???
youre right, you didnt type them but you did “thank GOD MB” in a post that inferse that conservatives are racist, sexist, homophobic and on and on and on. saying democrats solved all those problems and republicans sought to resist all changes is no different then calling me any one of those terms.
moral high ground.....pfffff...give me a break
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ Caactorvike said:
not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
I appreciate your willingness to allow ("tolerate") an opposing point of view. For the record, I did not vote for Trump. And I caught alot of heck for it. But I can tell you this: if the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for him (warts and all) because of what "you guys" have done since the election. What you don't seem to understand is that when you label Trump as a "racist", what you are really saying is that anyone who thinks as Trump does (about border policies, for example) is a racist. I don't have a dog in the fight; I think I agree with you when it comes to the personal failings of Trump. I don't think he's a good guy at all. I do think he is a misogynist... and I do think he "hates" certain people (but his objects of hatred have nothing to do with race, lifestyle choices or any of that stuff; he hates people who attack him/irritate him/make him look bad). I won't defend any of his behaviors. But I will point out that those who say they have a problem with Trumps behaviors (and words) never said a peep about Clinton. That tells me that they don't really care about women; it's all about tribal politics. And that's wrong.
So you would vote for Trump because you hate liberals even more. I think that says a lot.
i didnt vote for trump either but will in 2020 for the simple fact that he is actually doing some good in the economy and jobs. you know either that or im a racist, nazi, gay draging man so full of hate that it just want to see the world burn.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ Caactorvike said:
not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
you havent used insulting terms???
youre right, you didnt type them but you did “thank GOD MB” in a post that inferse that conservatives are racist, sexist, homophobic and on and on and on. saying democrats solved all those problems and republicans sought to resist all changes is no different then calling me any one of those terms.
moral high ground.....pfffff...give me a break
Pretty much how I read it this time and every time we hear people talking about those who voted for Trump. It's damn hard not to get defensive or offensive when having to defend yourself from that in every discussion on issues relating to politics.
It's like it's the first page of the trash Trump play book, paint all who don't trash the guy as the lowest form of scum, so that nobody will dare talk about the good that he has done or question the narrative on him the left twisted media has created to try and cover up the positves he has orchestrated.
I still think he is a turd, but he has done good things and isn't the devil he is made out to be IMO. Would I vote for him again in a republican primary agaisnt a strong moderate conservative ....Probably not, would I voter for him again in a general agaisnt hillary ....every time and no amount of bullshit accusations from the twisted left would change that.
Someone needs to educate the masses about the talking points about slavery, KKK, civil rights etc.
The liberals have been protesting Trump since before the election. Their talking points are hollow.
The blacks are waking up.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ pumpf said:
@ Caactorvike said:
not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
I appreciate your willingness to allow ("tolerate") an opposing point of view. For the record, I did not vote for Trump. And I caught alot of heck for it. But I can tell you this: if the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for him (warts and all) because of what "you guys" have done since the election. What you don't seem to understand is that when you label Trump as a "racist", what you are really saying is that anyone who thinks as Trump does (about border policies, for example) is a racist. I don't have a dog in the fight; I think I agree with you when it comes to the personal failings of Trump. I don't think he's a good guy at all. I do think he is a misogynist... and I do think he "hates" certain people (but his objects of hatred have nothing to do with race, lifestyle choices or any of that stuff; he hates people who attack him/irritate him/make him look bad). I won't defend any of his behaviors. But I will point out that those who say they have a problem with Trumps behaviors (and words) never said a peep about Clinton. That tells me that they don't really care about women; it's all about tribal politics. And that's wrong.
So you would vote for Trump because you hate liberals even more. I think that says a lot.
i didnt vote for trump either but will in 2020 for the simple fact that he is actually doing some good in the economy and jobs. you know either that or im a racist, nazi, gay draging man so full of hate that it just want to see the world burn.
Presidents have so little to do with what's going on in the economy, but just for laughs let's just pretend they're what's behind all of it. Because clearly Very Stable Genius sure seems to want to give himself credit for it.
Now go to the Dow Jones chart for the last 10 years. Sure, Wall Street is just one economic indicator, but you have to start somewhere, right? Here's one here: https://www.macrotrends.net/1358/dow-jon...t-10-years
Now look at that chart and take politics out of it. Let's pretend its your weight gain or maybe your cholesterol levels. Do you look at that chart and say, "wow, the change I made to my diet in early 2017 is the culprit?" No, obviously not. Anyone with two functioning retinas would say that the significant change occurred in early 2009.
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