Losing Barr would hurt the least. Hunter's still 23... Brian Robison was 23 when he was drafted. Hunter's ceiling hasn't been touched yet.
Diggs can play inside or outside, run any route you want, get open and make contested catches. Plus he plays big in the bright lights (USB stadium opener vs GB, 2017 opener vs. NO, Minneapolis Miracle). Him leaving would also hurt Thielen, who would promptly get doubled every way possible.
Barr just hasn't seemed to grow that much from his rookie year. Some of that is likely Zimmer's "just do your assignment" preference, but sometimes he seems to be just taking up space... and not as much of it as a 6'5/250/4.5 should.
What would get for trading Barr as an example? Remember the other team will have to renegotiate his contract to the terms we could not afford so I don't know about a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 4 the following year or something like that.
Their is an article on ESPN about Earl Thomas being traded and none of the scenario's include getting a first rounder.
Also, being the 12th pick (I think) what would the comp pick be?
Quote: @minny65 said:
What would get for trading Barr as an example? Remember the other team will have to renegotiate his contract to the terms we could not afford so I don't know about a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 4 the following year or something like that.
Their is an article on ESPN about Earl Thomas being traded and none of the scenario's include getting a first rounder.
Also, being the 12th pick (I think) what would the comp pick be?
depends on the contract that he signs, but the highest that we could get is a late 3rd round pick... hardly seems like enough compensation for a former first rounder that has been to a few pro bowls and has wrecked a packer season.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ minny65 said:
What would get for trading Barr as an example? Remember the other team will have to renegotiate his contract to the terms we could not afford so I don't know about a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 4 the following year or something like that.
Their is an article on ESPN about Earl Thomas being traded and none of the scenario's include getting a first rounder.
Also, being the 12th pick (I think) what would the comp pick be?
depends on the contract that he signs, but the highest that we could get is a late 3rd round pick... hardly seems like enough compensation for a former first rounder that has been to a few pro bowls and has wrecked a packer season.
Oh, thanks. I didn't realize that it depended on the contract and thought it was where he was drafted.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ minny65 said:
What would get for trading Barr as an example? Remember the other team will have to renegotiate his contract to the terms we could not afford so I don't know about a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 4 the following year or something like that.
Their is an article on ESPN about Earl Thomas being traded and none of the scenario's include getting a first rounder.
Also, being the 12th pick (I think) what would the comp pick be?
depends on the contract that he signs, but the highest that we could get is a late 3rd round pick... hardly seems like enough compensation for a former first rounder that has been to a few pro bowls and has wrecked a packer season.
Oh, thanks. I didn't realize that it depended on the contract and thought it was where he was drafted.
Im pretty sure its based on the value of the contracts for players you lose vs value of contracts for players you acquire through free agency.
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@ StickyBun said:
Honestly, I think Hunter leaving would have the least negative impact as the D-line depth and talent is super deep. We've got nobody to replace Barr or Diggs depth-wise that would make any kind of impact....nothing in the depth pipeline at all.
You're probably right in the short-term, but long-term I think it may prove to have the biggest impact. Assuming Hunter leaves you're likely losing Robison, Richardson, and Hunter after this season. That leaves you a gap both at 3-tech and DE since nobody else on the roster has taken a full workload.
After that you're left with Everson at age 31 and Linval Joseph at age 30. So you're not really getting any younger either.
Resigning Hunter has to be a priority in my opinion. Even over Diggs. People are going to give Hunter grief since he didn't fill up the stat sheet in 2017 but his game tape was absolutely phenomenal and a team on the FA market is going to throw $15-18M+ at him without much hesitation.
You think it's likely we lose Richardson after this year huh?
How come???
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Honestly, I think Hunter leaving would have the least negative impact as the D-line depth and talent is super deep. We've got nobody to replace Barr or Diggs depth-wise that would make any kind of impact....nothing in the depth pipeline at all.
You're probably right in the short-term, but long-term I think it may prove to have the biggest impact. Assuming Hunter leaves you're likely losing Robison, Richardson, and Hunter after this season. That leaves you a gap both at 3-tech and DE since nobody else on the roster has taken a full workload.
After that you're left with Everson at age 31 and Linval Joseph at age 30. So you're not really getting any younger either.
Resigning Hunter has to be a priority in my opinion. Even over Diggs. People are going to give Hunter grief since he didn't fill up the stat sheet in 2017 but his game tape was absolutely phenomenal and a team on the FA market is going to throw $15-18M+ at him without much hesitation.
You think it's likely we lose Richardson after this year huh?
How come???
i am guessing it has to do with money.... we all knew that when we waded into the 25+ million for a QB pool that other parts of the roster were going to suffer.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ StickyBun said:
Honestly, I think Hunter leaving would have the least negative impact as the D-line depth and talent is super deep. We've got nobody to replace Barr or Diggs depth-wise that would make any kind of impact....nothing in the depth pipeline at all.
You're probably right in the short-term, but long-term I think it may prove to have the biggest impact. Assuming Hunter leaves you're likely losing Robison, Richardson, and Hunter after this season. That leaves you a gap both at 3-tech and DE since nobody else on the roster has taken a full workload.
After that you're left with Everson at age 31 and Linval Joseph at age 30. So you're not really getting any younger either.
Resigning Hunter has to be a priority in my opinion. Even over Diggs. People are going to give Hunter grief since he didn't fill up the stat sheet in 2017 but his game tape was absolutely phenomenal and a team on the FA market is going to throw $15-18M+ at him without much hesitation.
You think it's likely we lose Richardson after this year huh?
How come???
Its not a sure thing by any means. But I think it was a mutual decision for the Vikings and Richardson to agree on a one year deal. He comes into a situation he should be able to produce in, the Vikings get that production for at least one season. Then he moves on and get the monster money he couldn't find on the market this off-season, next year. The Vikings end up getting a 3rd or possibly 4th round comp pick. Its still a win-win for both sides if that is how it ultimately plays out.
Quote: @minny65 said:
What would get for trading Barr as an example? Remember the other team will have to renegotiate his contract to the terms we could not afford so I don't know about a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 4 the following year or something like that.
Their is an article on ESPN about Earl Thomas being traded and none of the scenario's include getting a first rounder.
Also, being the 12th pick (I think) what would the comp pick be?
As others have stated, it's entirely based on the contract he gets in FA. But I don't think it can be weighted purely in terms of draft capital. There's also the matter of him playing here this year. If you trade him, we lose a full year of value from him and we're probably not going to replace him with a good player at this point in FA. The other thing to consider is that trading him gets us a pick next year, whereas a compensatory pick would happen in 2 years.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ minny65 said:
What would get for trading Barr as an example? Remember the other team will have to renegotiate his contract to the terms we could not afford so I don't know about a 1st rounder. Maybe a 2 and a 4 the following year or something like that.
Their is an article on ESPN about Earl Thomas being traded and none of the scenario's include getting a first rounder.
Also, being the 12th pick (I think) what would the comp pick be?
As others have stated, it's entirely based on the contract he gets in FA. But I don't think it can be weighted purely in terms of draft capital. There's also the matter of him playing here this year. If you trade him, we lose a full year of value from him and we're probably not going to replace him with a good player at this point in FA. The other thing to consider is that trading him gets us a pick next year, whereas a compensatory pick would happen in 2 years.
as far as any of these 3 go... if we arent resigning them... trade them away asap. get max value out of the draft pick... I hate this notion of getting a compensatory pick is supposed to make it ok to letting top talent walk away. like you said, a comp pick is a year later so it should be viewed as a full round lower value since you lose that full season... good point!
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