Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ TBro said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ TBro said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Butler was really sick with flu like symptoms last week and did not even travel with the team. He came to Minnesota separately.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2018/02/patriots_notebook_malcolm_butler_battling_through_illness
I was reading the patspulpit site and someone commented that they kept him away from the rest of the team for the most part.
This may indicate that he missed a lot of the preparation that was done for Philly this week. Not sure how much they did last week but probably some for sure. This week could have been some fine tuning stuff.
Who knows, maybe they felt he was still too weak even if he said he was not?
The way Eric Rowe was playing you would think they would give Butler a shot.
It still was a close game and I have to look at the Patriots offense in the first half and wonder what was going on because in the second half they really did better. I did not see much difference besides getting Gronk the ball but I am sure it is more complicated.
Brady was very inaccurate with his throws all game, especially in the first half. He didn't look like the AP's MVP last night. Gronk only had 1 catch in the first half so I agree with you that McDaniels did not call a good game last night but the pressure the Eagles were putting on Brady had a lot to do with it. He just wasn't comfortable. Same with Keenum. He looked amazing in the opening drive, and then the Eagles were able to get pressure on him and he was never the same QB.
If throwing for 500 yds., and scoring 33 on that defense, with that coverage, was a measure of very inaccurate throwing, I'm guessing you're going to be very disappointed in our QB next year... or any year.
while I only watched parts of the first half, I saw several instance where Brady misfired when trying to target gronkowski. in fairness, the pats oline was completely outmatched by the iggles defense and brady had little to no time to set up on many pass plays.... however, in the past I think the pats win that game. Tom had great numbers, but I dont think he had the touch I have seen in the past. (again only watched about half the game and was in/out during that half.)
mgobluevikes,
Jimmy did a better job of capturing what I was trying to say. Yes, Brady put up some big numbers, but for several parts of the game he did not pass with the precision we are used to seeing out of him. A lot of that was attributed to the Eagles' pressure, but he also had several throws that he had plenty of time and was just off including some of his decision making. I also think that McDaniels and Patricia didn't call great games either.
Yes, he missed a few throws. But you're being overly critical. He threw for 500+ yards, 3 TD's, and was a hair under 60% accuracy. He wasn't vintage Brady, but his performance or the offensive game plan wasn't the issue. They didn't punt a single time all game. Agreed, Brady was vintage last night and for the most part his OL did a nice job protecting...He went down swinging.
I will be much more blunt; Patriots defense was as pathetic against them as the Vikings were. Both were shredded, owned and embarrassed on national TV.
i admit that I didnt watch the 2nd half, but did you miss the first half? he wasnt leading gronk at all and allowing a trailing defensive back to make plays against a receiver as big as that is shitty aim. also they couldnt even get the quick hitters going consistently as brady had people in his face very quickly. I didnt watch the second half, but the pats oline was getting owned early and IMO it showed in Bradys accuracy. he was getting hit quite a bit from what I was seeing.
I watched the entire game, but every QB is going to have some misfires. It seemed more like he was just trying to get into a rhythm early more than anything else, fairly typical. I will just keep pounding the point that if you throw for 500 yards, 3 TD's, and don't punt the ball the entire game your performance really shouldn't be scrutinized.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
or if new englands O had been able to punch some TD in early instead of spotting foles a 2 score lead in the first half it might have been different. foles is an ok QB, but he can be rattled, new england was never able to make him nervous, on the field or on the score board.
NE's defense looked like crap IMO. Glad Patricia is going to coach the lions.
apparently neither D was worth a shit with over 80 points combined and the loser having over 500 passing yards and nearly 40 points of their own.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
or if new englands O had been able to punch some TD in early instead of spotting foles a 2 score lead in the first half it might have been different. foles is an ok QB, but he can be rattled, new england was never able to make him nervous, on the field or on the score board.
NE's defense looked like crap IMO. Glad Patricia is going to coach the lions.
apparently neither D was worth a shit with over 80 points combined and the loser having over 500 passing yards and nearly 40 points of their own.
Well, Philly held NE in the redzone and led to a missed FG and came up with the strip sack to ice the game. And they had NE off their game in the first half. I think NE made a good halftime adjustment to go up tempo and nearly wore the defense out. But they gutted out one last play to clinch it.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
or if new englands O had been able to punch some TD in early instead of spotting foles a 2 score lead in the first half it might have been different. foles is an ok QB, but he can be rattled, new england was never able to make him nervous, on the field or on the score board.
NE's defense looked like crap IMO. Glad Patricia is going to coach the lions.
apparently neither D was worth a shit with over 80 points combined and the loser having over 500 passing yards and nearly 40 points of their own.
Well, Philly held NE in the redzone and led to a missed FG and came up with the strip sack to ice the game. And they had NE off their game in the first half. I think NE made a good halftime adjustment to go up tempo and nearly wore the defense out. But they gutted out one last play to clinch it.
yeah and new englands D forced a fg in the first quarter as well, just not going to say a defense that surrendered what they did was a good performance. but they get a ring and thats likely anybody cares about.
Brady didn't have his best game ever but was still pretty damn good. I think the defense had a lot to do with and I really think his hand is bothering him more than is being reported.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
@ TBro said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mgobluevikes said:
@ TBro said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Butler was really sick with flu like symptoms last week and did not even travel with the team. He came to Minnesota separately.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/patriots/2018/02/patriots_notebook_malcolm_butler_battling_through_illness
I was reading the patspulpit site and someone commented that they kept him away from the rest of the team for the most part.
This may indicate that he missed a lot of the preparation that was done for Philly this week. Not sure how much they did last week but probably some for sure. This week could have been some fine tuning stuff.
Who knows, maybe they felt he was still too weak even if he said he was not?
The way Eric Rowe was playing you would think they would give Butler a shot.
It still was a close game and I have to look at the Patriots offense in the first half and wonder what was going on because in the second half they really did better. I did not see much difference besides getting Gronk the ball but I am sure it is more complicated.
Brady was very inaccurate with his throws all game, especially in the first half. He didn't look like the AP's MVP last night. Gronk only had 1 catch in the first half so I agree with you that McDaniels did not call a good game last night but the pressure the Eagles were putting on Brady had a lot to do with it. He just wasn't comfortable. Same with Keenum. He looked amazing in the opening drive, and then the Eagles were able to get pressure on him and he was never the same QB.
If throwing for 500 yds., and scoring 33 on that defense, with that coverage, was a measure of very inaccurate throwing, I'm guessing you're going to be very disappointed in our QB next year... or any year.
while I only watched parts of the first half, I saw several instance where Brady misfired when trying to target gronkowski. in fairness, the pats oline was completely outmatched by the iggles defense and brady had little to no time to set up on many pass plays.... however, in the past I think the pats win that game. Tom had great numbers, but I dont think he had the touch I have seen in the past. (again only watched about half the game and was in/out during that half.)
mgobluevikes,
Jimmy did a better job of capturing what I was trying to say. Yes, Brady put up some big numbers, but for several parts of the game he did not pass with the precision we are used to seeing out of him. A lot of that was attributed to the Eagles' pressure, but he also had several throws that he had plenty of time and was just off including some of his decision making. I also think that McDaniels and Patricia didn't call great games either.
Yes, he missed a few throws. But you're being overly critical. He threw for 500+ yards, 3 TD's, and was a hair under 60% accuracy. He wasn't vintage Brady, but his performance or the offensive game plan wasn't the issue. They didn't punt a single time all game.
Fair enough. I just thought Foles looked moore like Brady all night than Brady did himself and neither team played good defense which was surprising.
Reports out here near Foxborough have stated Butler missed curfew and was caught with weed, thats why he was benched, and more reports have the locker room not happy with that decision
Quote: @Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
Reports out here near Foxborough have stated Butler missed curfew and was caught with weed, thats why he was benched, and more reports have the locker room not happy with that decision
I heard the curfew, not the weed part...So according to the NFL it's ok to be drunk but not a toke of weed...
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ Sir Viking Bob VWO said:
Reports out here near Foxborough have stated Butler missed curfew and was caught with weed, thats why he was benched, and more reports have the locker room not happy with that decision
I heard the curfew, not the weed part...So according to the NFL it's ok to be drunk but not a toke of weed...
Biggest game in a NFL player's life that few players will ever experience and he decides to stay out late smoking pot. Whether it's getting drunk or getting high, couldn't he wait just one more day to do this? Then probably nothing would have been said or anything would come out of it. Just a poor decision on his part. JMO.
Maybe it wasn't his weed? 
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