Traitor in Chief Trump Has His Buddy's Back

[badgervike]

Does anyone actually think that enabling a vicious despot with imperialist ambitions will make them STOP killing?

Honestly?

Macron said yesterday that any peace agreement would include permanent peacekeepers.  Rubio said the same today.  So..yes under those conditions...I would believe it.  This never should have happened in the first place and when it did, the US and European should have immediately stepped in.  After our impressive retreat from Afghanistan, I'm sure Putin was shaking in his boots that we were going to do anything to stop him.

[Zanary]

Macron said yesterday that any peace agreement would include permanent peacekeepers.  Rubio said the same today.  So..yes under those conditions...I would believe it.  This never should have happened in the first place and when it did, the US and European should have immediately stepped in.  After our impressive retreat from Afghanistan, I'm sure Putin was shaking in his boots that we were going to do anything to stop him.

Given how absurdly badly his newer hardware has fared over the last few years, he should have more humility by now.

[purplefaithful]

Keir Starmer is a smart man, obviously hasn't forgotten the lessons of WW2:

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has urged US President Donald Trump against accepting any peace deal in Ukraine that would “reward” Russia or its allies.

“Mr. President, I welcome your deep and personal commitment to bring peace and stop the killing,” Starmer said at a joint news conference after a meeting between the two leaders in the Oval Office on Thursday.

“But we have to get it right. There’s a famous slogan in the United Kingdom from after the Second World War that is ‘we have to win the peace,’ and that is what we must do now, because it can’t be peace that rewards the aggressor, or that gives encouragement to dangerous regimes like Iran,” he added.

Starmer also noted at the news conference that the UK had adopted its “biggest sustained increase in defense spending since the Cold War.”

[Zanary]

Keir Starmer is a smart man, obviously hasn't forgotten the lessons of WW2:

British Prime Minister Keir Starmer has urged US President Donald Trump against accepting any peace deal in Ukraine that would “reward” Russia or its allies.

“Mr. President, I welcome your deep and personal commitment to bring peace and stop the killing,” Starmer said at a joint news conference after a meeting between the two leaders in the Oval Office on Thursday.

“But we have to get it right. There’s a famous slogan in the United Kingdom from after the Second World War that is ‘we have to win the peace,’ and that is what we must do now, because it can’t be peace that rewards the aggressor, or that gives encouragement to dangerous regimes like Iran,” he added.

Starmer also noted at the news conference that the UK had adopted its “biggest sustained increase in defense spending since the Cold War.”

That's the first quote from him that I've been genuinely impressed by. He's had a lot of less-than-impressive moments dealing with THEIR hamas supporters and similar issues.

[purplefaithful]

Back to Ukraine....

Zelensky is a moron, couldn't have handled todays meeting any worse than he did. The Ukrainian ambassador to the US had her head in her hands by the end.

Kellogg is right, the meeting should never have taken place. One Ukranian expert (imho) hit the nail on the head:

“Ukraine is losing this war,” the expert said. “Russia is making tens of thousands of drones per month, and Ukraine can’t shoot them all down. Russia is making advances because Russia doesn’t value human life and is OK to lose thousands of men a day. Ukraine can’t keep up with that and shouldn’t.”

There are three options for Ukraine now, he explained.

“One, America can send military weapons and manpower and potentially, this starts World War III.
“Two, Ukraine can surrender and give in to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin.
“Or three, we give this ceasefire plan and deal that Trump is pushing a chance. I would go for option three. Trump was talking about Ukraine getting land back that it has lost just yesterday,” the expert said.

[Zanary]

Back to Ukraine....

Zelensky is a moron, couldn't have handled todays meeting any worse than he did. The Ukrainian ambassador to the US had her head in her hands by the end.

Kellogg is right, the meeting should never have taken place. One Ukranian expert (imho) hit the nail on the head:

“Ukraine is losing this war,” the expert said. “Russia is making tens of thousands of drones per month, and Ukraine can’t shoot them all down. Russia is making advances because Russia doesn’t value human life and is OK to lose thousands of men a day. Ukraine can’t keep up with that and shouldn’t.”

There are three options for Ukraine now, he explained.

“One, America can send military weapons and manpower and potentially, this starts World War III.
“Two, Ukraine can surrender and give in to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin.
“Or three, we give this ceasefire plan and deal that Trump is pushing a chance. I would go for option three. Trump was talking about Ukraine getting land back that it has lost just yesterday,” the expert said.

Trumplestilskin is a completely petulant b***h, basically pulling a media ambush to get his ring kissed and prove he's THE DEALMAKER on the biggest stage while Vance played the part of the obnoxious, yapping spaniel...interrupting Zelensky and trying to emotionally blackmail a man whose country is actually under constant fire from Trump's "brilliant, very smart" bff.

This was truly sh***y, gutless, and I'm glad that the world leaders are largely stepping up their support for Ukraine...and dropping egg on orange boi's face in the process.

Truly the most childish, pathetic administration that I've lived to see. What a complete s**t show.

[Waterboy]

Trumplestilskin is a completely petulant b***h, basically pulling a media ambush to get his ring kissed and prove he's THE DEALMAKER on the biggest stage while Vance played the part of the obnoxious, yapping spaniel...interrupting Zelensky and trying to emotionally blackmail a man whose country is actually under constant fire from Trump's "brilliant, very smart" bff.

This was truly sh***y, gutless, and I'm glad that the world leaders are largely stepping up their support for Ukraine...and dropping egg on orange boi's face in the process.

Truly the most childish, pathetic administration that I've lived to see. What a complete s**t show.

You sound quite objective.  lol. You’re so clueless, it’s laughable. I’ll guarantee you Trump isn’t the one in scramble mode right now.  Zelenskyy on the other hand either grovels back, loses his country, or is removed from power.  It wasn’t a good day for him.

[purplefaithful]

That meeting should never have taken place:
 - The 2 sides weren't ready, big issues still to be hammered-out
 - Kyiv wants more security guarantees in mineral deal
 - Big miss by Trump Admin and Kyiv to hold that meeting between the leaders vs negotiating outside of media (not in front of cameras)

Zelensky has led his country valiantly the last 3 years, I am not sure he's the guy to lead it to peace. 

Yesterday was politically very bad for him here and at home. He may not survive in office, not sure he should.

[Zanary]

That meeting should never have taken place:
 - The 2 sides weren't ready, big issues still to be hammered-out
 - Kyiv wants more security guarantees in mineral deal
 - Big miss by Trump Admin and Kyiv to hold that meeting between the leaders vs negotiating outside of media (not in front of cameras)

Zelensky has led his country valiantly the last 3 years, I am not sure he's the guy to lead it to peace. 

Yesterday was politically very bad for him here and at home. He may not survive in office, not sure he should.

It was an attempted press ambush by the orange stain and his pet spaniel, Vance. It was obviously an attempt to corner Zelensky into a deal that he felt was inadequate.

The babble of "Zelensky doesn't want peace" from people in the comfort of homes NOT under missile/drone/shell fire is truly odd to even consider. I get that people expect him be looking for any way out, but he's stood up to a monstrous Russian military and political assaults for years; his refusal to back down to a lying putin puppet isn't surprising. The deal, what I've seen of it, essentially offered the least of what they need most: security guarantees. Vlad's orange plaything thought Zelensky was more cornered than he was.

Trumplestilskin came off like a bad character from a Godfather movie, one too shallow and pathetic to stay in the script. Granted, he is treasonous trash whose great, big, sweeping "changes" need constant editing and groveling for wrongly-terminated people to come back...but, this was all about him completing THE DEAL in front of cameras to end a big war.

It barely had anything to do with Ukraine, Zelensky, or peace; it was all about the world's most shameless attention whore actually getting to perform on the biggest stage.

If he wants that, he'll need to get out from under vlad's covers thumb and make a real deal.

[purplefaithful]

It was an attempted press ambush by the orange stain and his pet spaniel, Vance. It was obviously an attempt to corner Zelensky into a deal that he felt was inadequate.

The babble of "Zelensky doesn't want peace" from people in the comfort of homes NOT under missile/drone/shell fire is truly odd to even consider. I get that people expect him be looking for any way out, but he's stood up to a monstrous Russian military and political assaults for years; his refusal to back down to a lying putin puppet isn't surprising. The deal, what I've seen of it, essentially offered the least of what they need most: security guarantees. Vlad's orange plaything thought Zelensky was more cornered than he was.

Trumplestilskin came off like a bad character from a Godfather movie, one too shallow and pathetic to stay in the script. Granted, he is treasonous trash whose great, big, sweeping "changes" need constant editing and groveling for wrongly-terminated people to come back...but, this was all about him completing THE DEAL in front of cameras to end a big war.

It barely had anything to do with Ukraine, Zelensky, or peace; it was all about the world's most shameless attention whore actually getting to perform on the biggest stage.

If he wants that, he'll need to get out from under vlad's covers thumb and make a real deal.

I never said he doesnt want peace, I said I'm not sure Zylensky is the leader to get them there. 

Yes, he wanted more security guarantees in the mineral deal and they weren't there yet - hence they had more negotiating to do and should never have met, let alone in front of cameras in the Oval Office. 

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this for the time being. Time could prove me wrong and if so, I'll own up to it then. 

I think in the end a deal will be made, the security guarantee will be British/French troops in Ukraine. But that seems like a long ways from yesterday now.