WTF is going on in MN?

[JimmyinSD]

Oh I vote 3rd party when given the chance. Can’t change without changing who we vote for.

Do you vote 3rd party because thats the best candidate in your opinion,  or simply throwing your vote on any candidate away as a protest?

[Waterboy]

The irony of you calling out others for irony amd condescension is rich...
once again you show that you are not worth the effort,  good luck recruiting for that 3rd party pipe dream of yours,   its pretty apparent why so few would want to join you.

You're talking to a guy who could have been a US Senator!  Voting for third parties, like you said, is futile, and a person who truly understands what they're talking about may understand that the two-party system is the best way to fight against eventual one-party rule.  Unless manipulated like the Democrats were attempting with the illegal voters being shipped to the swing states, the two- party system generally keeps the parties more focused towards the middle.  The party that went crazy lost this time.   That's what's supposed to happen.  The downside is that many of the traditions and limits that were exercised in the past such as the filibuster, following the rule of law, and free speech are being threatened in never imagined ways.  I actually have become more libertarian over time, but it's not realistic for a libertarian to win anything of a national variety.  The incoherent rants of some on this site show why things have become the way they have.  Also, the degree to which people can be brainwashed by a party or the mainstream media is a huge concern.

[Zanary]

I vote for the best candidate, and they are very unlikely to come from the corrupt, enabled, and otherwise horrible "main" parties. Gary Johnson and and Jo Jorgensen were miles better than what we got, and even Chase Oliver had a fraction of the baggage from the "big 2".

What's truly sad about the country's situation is that a huge number of people admittedly vote AGAINST the opposing candidate far more than they vote FOR their own. As biased/fictional "news" is commonplace with the current world, the partisan support comes in constant outrage/panic stories from everyone from CNN to Faux Nooz to...hell, almost everyone. Accessing the pure data is a solution, but most people won't go to that trouble when conveniently being told what to "think".

I have family that manages to hang on Faux's every word, even they're aware and reminded that the network carried the Trumplestilskin lies and got hugely busted for it. Similarly, my social media is full of horror story posts from people convinced the gop is going to take away the vote, enact Project 25 without opposition, etc etc etc.

The earlier post condescending toward 3rd parties was truly junk talk, when the poster in question has defended a (this isn't opinion, it's on the books) liar, sexual abuser, mishandler of classified documents, fraud, and convicted felon with cabinet candidates showing an unfortunate trend toward sex crimes.

What, exactly, is so bad about 3rd party candidates when HE was worth defending...and even spreading misinformation for?

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The irony of you calling out others for irony amd condescension is rich...
once again you show that you are not worth the effort,  good luck recruiting for that 3rd party pipe dream of yours,   its pretty apparent why so few would want to join you.

You're a constant hypocrite, so it's actually important to dismiss, marginalize, and even mock your prattle; that's how society polices itself.

I recruit pretty well, not trying to do so here. You're utterly incapable of getting the point, or intellectual honesty.

[Waterboy]

I vote for the best candidate, and they are very unlikely to come from the corrupt, enabled, and otherwise horrible "main" parties. Gary Johnson and and Jo Jorgensen were miles better than what we got, and even Chase Oliver had a fraction of the baggage from the "big 2".

What's truly sad about the country's situation is that a huge number of people admittedly vote AGAINST the opposing candidate far more than they vote FOR their own. As biased/fictional "news" is commonplace with the current world, the partisan support comes in constant outrage/panic stories from everyone from CNN to Faux Nooz to...hell, almost everyone. Accessing the pure data is a solution, but most people won't go to that trouble when conveniently being told what to "think".

I have family that manages to hang on Faux's every word, even they're aware and reminded that the network carried the Trumplestilskin lies and got hugely busted for it. Similarly, my social media is full of horror story posts from people convinced the gop is going to take away the vote, enact Project 25 without opposition, etc etc etc.

The earlier post condescending toward 3rd parties was truly junk talk, when the poster in question has defended a (this isn't opinion, it's on the books) liar, sexual abuser, mishandler of classified documents, fraud, and convicted felon with cabinet candidates showing an unfortunate trend toward sex crimes.

What, exactly, is so bad about 3rd party candidates when HE was worth defending...and even spreading misinformation for?

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You're a constant hypocrite, so it's actually important to dismiss, marginalize, and even mock your prattle; that's how society polices itself.

I recruit pretty well, not trying to do so here. You're utterly incapable of getting the point, or intellectual honesty.

You recruit pretty well.  lol   You're a trip.  I bet you could hold down at least .5% in any election you rain in.  At least 1 out of 200 have similar issues.

[Zanary]

You recruit pretty well.  lol   You're a trip.  I bet you could hold down at least .5% in any election you rain in.  At least 1 out of 200 have similar issues.

Sparky...just don't. I can't bring everything down to a "Dick and Jane" level for you.

You're not up to it, and you show that...constantly. Just go do another dozen ignored posts on your echo chamber joke thread, and congratulate yourself again.

[AGRforever]

Do you vote 3rd party because thats the best candidate in your opinion,  or simply throwing your vote on any candidate away as a protest?

Throwing my vote away?  I have a right to vote for whomever I feel will be the best candidate.  I've determined over 3 decades of voting that candidates with R's and D's behind their name offer the least and take the most.  There's no throwing anything away if the main parties want to nominate someone worth voting for, I'll vote for them. 

When you hit the button for a D or R next time, remember you are voting for more of the same.

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You're talking to a guy who could have been a US Senator!  Voting for third parties, like you said, is futile, and a person who truly understands what they're talking about may understand that the two-party system is the best way to fight against eventual one-party rule.  Unless manipulated like the Democrats were attempting with the illegal voters being shipped to the swing states, the two- party system generally keeps the parties more focused towards the middle.  The party that went crazy lost this time.   That's what's supposed to happen.  The downside is that many of the traditions and limits that were exercised in the past such as the filibuster, following the rule of law, and free speech are being threatened in never imagined ways.  I actually have become more libertarian over time, but it's not realistic for a libertarian to win anything of a national variety.  The incoherent rants of some on this site show why things have become the way they have.  Also, the degree to which people can be brainwashed by a party or the mainstream media is a huge concern.

The party that went crazy?  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL  Look who is president.  If that shitbag isn't the definition of crazy, I don't know what is?

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I vote for the best candidate, and they are very unlikely to come from the corrupt, enabled, and otherwise horrible "main" parties. Gary Johnson and and Jo Jorgensen were miles better than what we got, and even Chase Oliver had a fraction of the baggage from the "big 2".

What's truly sad about the country's situation is that a huge number of people admittedly vote AGAINST the opposing candidate far more than they vote FOR their own. As biased/fictional "news" is commonplace with the current world, the partisan support comes in constant outrage/panic stories from everyone from CNN to Faux Nooz to...hell, almost everyone. Accessing the pure data is a solution, but most people won't go to that trouble when conveniently being told what to "think".

I have family that manages to hang on Faux's every word, even they're aware and reminded that the network carried the Trumplestilskin lies and got hugely busted for it. Similarly, my social media is full of horror story posts from people convinced the gop is going to take away the vote, enact Project 25 without opposition, etc etc etc.

The earlier post condescending toward 3rd parties was truly junk talk, when the poster in question has defended a (this isn't opinion, it's on the books) liar, sexual abuser, mishandler of classified documents, fraud, and convicted felon with cabinet candidates showing an unfortunate trend toward sex crimes.

What, exactly, is so bad about 3rd party candidates when HE was worth defending...and even spreading misinformation for?

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You're a constant hypocrite, so it's actually important to dismiss, marginalize, and even mock your prattle; that's how society polices itself.

I recruit pretty well, not trying to do so here. You're utterly incapable of getting the point, or intellectual honesty.

I actually campaigned for Gary Johnson.  Jo Jorgenson was ok in my books.  Chase Oliver didn't make the ballot here.

[JimmyinSD]

Throwing my vote away?  I have a right to vote for whomever I feel will be the best candidate.  I've determined over 3 decades of voting that candidates with R's and D's behind their name offer the least and take the most.  There's no throwing anything away if the main parties want to nominate someone worth voting for, I'll vote for them. 

When you hit the button for a D or R next time, remember you are voting for more of the same.

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The party that went crazy?  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL  Look who is president.  If that shitbag isn't the definition of crazy, I don't know what is?

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I actually campaigned for Gary Johnson.  Jo Jorgenson was ok in my books.  Chase Oliver didn't make the ballot here.

take a breath and re-read what I wrote in context of the conversation.   did you simply vote other as a protest,  or was other the best candidate,  i dont vote party line,  i vote for the best candidate.  Some talk shit about party so much you know they dont follow suit,  they waste their votes on third party candidates regardless of their chances of winning,  or even being the best candidate in their minds.

parties are a joke, you could have a person leave any party and run under another flag and it doesnt change a thing,  or like I have said,  we have 2 very distinct groups of R's in SoDak,  the noem RINO party, and a younger growing part of fiscal common sense conservatives that arent as bent on outside money and the demands that come with them.

IMO simply voting for a 3rd party as a form of protest is a waste of a vote,  if you arent voting for the best candidate in your eyes, its a waste of a vote, if you are voting for a 3rd party candidate that meets your criteria best, then thats not throwin your vote away....thats why I asked.

[AGRforever]

take a breath and re-read what I wrote in context of the conversation.   did you simply vote other as a protest,  or was other the best candidate,  i dont vote party line,  i vote for the best candidate.  Some talk shit about party so much you know they dont follow suit,  they waste their votes on third party candidates regardless of their chances of winning,  or even being the best candidate in their minds.

parties are a joke, you could have a person leave any party and run under another flag and it doesnt change a thing,  or like I have said,  we have 2 very distinct groups of R's in SoDak,  the noem RINO party, and a younger growing part of fiscal common sense conservatives that arent as bent on outside money and the demands that come with them.

IMO simply voting for a 3rd party as a form of protest is a waste of a vote,  if you arent voting for the best candidate in your eyes, its a waste of a vote, if you are voting for a 3rd party candidate that meets your criteria best, then thats not throwin your vote away....thats why I asked.

I am the biggest military dove on the planet. The best candidate generally ends up as the libertarian candidate. 

Support the troops, bring them all home from everywhere, now.

[JimmyinSD]

I am the biggest military dove on the planet. The best candidate generally ends up as the libertarian candidate. 

Support the troops, bring them all home from everywhere, now.

so back to my original post to you... you voted that way because of their position,  not simply because they werent an R or a D.