Kwesi and KOC won't get fired if they sign Kirk again unless he gets injured again and things go South.
Any other direction and their futures become less secure.
Instead of 3 years, I think they will offer a boatload of money for 2.
I don’t understand that vitriol. Firstly, if I was Cousins, I would certainly
at least hear out all the offers that are on the table. The people who think he should have signed
with the Vikings without seeing what other options are out there are just plain
nuts. If someone comes in and offers
another $40M guaranteed above what the Vikings are offering, how many people
are going to say no? Regarding team
friendly deals … Almost no one is taking team friendly deals. A couple million here or there to be on the
team you want … sure … call that a team friendly deal if you want. But who’s leaving $10M+ on the table? Almost no one is turning down big contracts
to help the team. Did one guy take
less? Sure, but to hold that against
Kirk is ridiculous. Everyone is taking
the money.
Quote: @JR44 said:
Atlanta just makes too much sense for Kirk considering the factors, if Atlanta is really interested and not just positioning for a Fields trade, I would say it is the most likely where he ends up
Consider family has always been far and away the number one priority for Kirk, his wife is from the Atlanta area and her parents still live there, Kirk's long time trainer since 2010 is in Atlanta, Kirk's parents are in Florida, where Kirk has spent a good part of the off seasons.
Russell Wilson's wife lived in Atlanta for a time and Justin Fields grew up in Georgia and attended Georgia for one year. Just sayin...
If they sign any of these 3 (including Kirk) it'll be billed as a "homecoming" of sorts.
I think the appeal of Atlanta for Kirk, aside from $, is the lack of a QB successor on the roster. I assume wherever he signs, he'll want some assurance that QB won't be the first round pick in 2024. That's a big ask but maybe one ATL will grant.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ JR44 said:
Atlanta just makes too much sense for Kirk considering the factors, if Atlanta is really interested and not just positioning for a Fields trade, I would say it is the most likely where he ends up
Consider family has always been far and away the number one priority for Kirk, his wife is from the Atlanta area and her parents still live there, Kirk's long time trainer since 2010 is in Atlanta, Kirk's parents are in Florida, where Kirk has spent a good part of the off seasons.
Russell Wilson's wife lived in Atlanta for a time and Justin Fields grew up in Georgia and attended Georgia for one year. Just sayin...
If they sign any of these 3 (including Kirk) it'll be billed as a "homecoming" of sorts.
I think the appeal of Atlanta for Kirk, aside from $, is the lack of a QB successor on the roster. I assume wherever he signs, he'll want some assurance that QB won't be the first round pick in 2024. That's a big ask but maybe one ATL will grant.
I doubt any team would ever let a QB dictate who they draft. But if Atlanta signs Cousins you can rest assured they won't use the 8th pick on a QB.
I don’t think Kirk is going to say no to a draft qb, but I
could see him strongly asking for a better OLine or enough weapons before
signing. Russell on the other hand, I
could definitely see him becoming a problem if the team has a contingency plan.
Quote: @medaille said:
I don’t think Kirk is going to say no to a draft qb, but I
could see him strongly asking for a better OLine or enough weapons before
signing. Russell on the other hand, I
could definitely see him becoming a problem if the team has a contingency plan.
This entered my mind as well. It's kind of an awkward situation if you have, say, Russell Wilson and Drake Maye. This is why I'm convinced that if the Vikings fail to sign Cousins, they will, almost immediately, sell the farm for a top 3 or 4 pick.
Because once they've secured that pick, the bridge is more likely to be someone like a Darnold or a Minshew than a Wilson or a Mayfield. Vikings may even decide at that point that 4-pick Nick is a tolerable bridge.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
I don’t think Kirk is going to say no to a draft qb, but I
could see him strongly asking for a better OLine or enough weapons before
signing. Russell on the other hand, I
could definitely see him becoming a problem if the team has a contingency plan.
This entered my mind as well. It's kind of an awkward situation if you have, say, Russell Wilson and Drake Maye. This is why I'm convinced that if the Vikings fail to sign Cousins, they will, almost immediately, sell the farm for a top 3 or 4 pick.
Because once they've secured that pick, the bridge is more likely to be someone like a Darnold or a Minshew than a Wilson or a Mayfield. Vikings may even decide at that point that 4-pick Nick is a tolerable bridge.
I absolutely hate the "sell the farm" strategy. Do we need a young QB? Yes! Could we double fuck ourselves by "selling the farm" and still having said quarterback turn out to be a bust? Yes! Has the competitive rebuild strategy put us in a situation where we might have to sell the farm? Yes! Say what you will, but would anyone here have not ditched the competitive rebuild strategy and shallow results of last season to have an outright top pick this season without having to sell the farm? I think 99% would say yes
I think anyway you slice it, and whether Kirk returns or not, it is clear to me that Kwesi has put the Vikings in a very bad position. We have a roster with good talent and the potential to lock in some key players (Hunter, JJ). At the same time we have given all the leverage to our soon-to-be free agent QB. We don't realistically have the option to sign him if he reaches free agency because of the dead cap hit and we have put ourselves in a position where Cousins logically will want to explore free agency. We have no backup QB plan in house and we would need to mortgage the future by way of a massive draft haul in order to move up to get one of the top QB prospects in the draft. We could sign a Baker or a Donald or a Wilson and win 6-8 games -- enough to keep us out of contention for a top QB in next year's draft. If there was a plan, it sure has not come together...
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ medaille said:
I don’t think Kirk is going to say no to a draft qb, but I
could see him strongly asking for a better OLine or enough weapons before
signing. Russell on the other hand, I
could definitely see him becoming a problem if the team has a contingency plan.
This entered my mind as well. It's kind of an awkward situation if you have, say, Russell Wilson and Drake Maye. This is why I'm convinced that if the Vikings fail to sign Cousins, they will, almost immediately, sell the farm for a top 3 or 4 pick.
Because once they've secured that pick, the bridge is more likely to be someone like a Darnold or a Minshew than a Wilson or a Mayfield. Vikings may even decide at that point that 4-pick Nick is a tolerable bridge.
I guess I don't see it that way. I'm not sure that everyone is as sold on the top QB (Williams) being heads and shoulders above the supposed 3th and 4th QB's following the combine, and it might get even more muddled after private workouts/interviews. I think there are plenty of varying opinions on Williams, May, McCarthy, Pennix, and Nix.
If Atlanta does land Cousins, I certainly wouldn't move into the top 4 for any of them as I think they all have roughly the same potential boom or bust factor, and we're likely to land 1 of the top 3 or 4 QB's at our 11 spot which is about the same reward for standing pat. Not sure it affects who we pick up as a bridge QB. Think we get the best available regardless, and sign him to a 3 yr. deal. Again, if we let Cousins walk can we get Mayfield for less, while we have our QBOTF learn for 2-3 years?
Quote: @Purpleblooded said:
I think anyway you slice it, and whether Kirk returns or not, it is clear to me that Kwesi has put the Vikings in a very bad position. We have a roster with good talent and the potential to lock in some key players (Hunter, JJ). At the same time we have given all the leverage to our soon-to-be free agent QB. We don't realistically have the option to sign him if he reaches free agency because of the dead cap hit and we have put ourselves in a position where Cousins logically will want to explore free agency. We have no backup QB plan in house and we would need to mortgage the future by way of a massive draft haul in order to move up to get one of the top QB prospects in the draft. We could sign a Baker or a Donald or a Wilson and win 6-8 games -- enough to keep us out of contention for a top QB in next year's draft. If there was a plan, it sure has not come together...
I think Kwesi more than anybody realizes that running it back with Kirk will seal his fate. He wouldn't even get to serve out his 4th year as GM since all of our Cap will be going to an overpriced veteran QB with no money left to fill all the massive holes that exist all across this roster. It would be another 7-10 or 8-9 season. He even said it at the Combine. We don't have the roster depth we need. You don't bring back an expensive veteran QB unless you have the roster to contend like we did in 2018 when we originally signed him. They weren't close on a contract last season, and they are not close now.
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