Zero doubt in my mind Cousins will resign with Minnesota

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@purplefaithful said:
The uncertainty of the achilles almost forces the Vikings to go QB high in the next draft. 

Worst case scenario is the Vikings re-signing Kirk, kicking more money down the road, and the achillies not holding up or him becoming prone to injury now as a 36 year old QB. That's the risk and the real roll of the dice in this equation. Unfortunately the Vikings have painted themselves into a corner where it's the best option going into next year. Pay and pray...

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@purplefaithful said:
The uncertainty of the achilles almost forces the Vikings to go QB high in the next draft. 

I think the Vikings would draft a QB even without the injury. I think they'll even move up for one. It's just time to get the QBOTF in the pipeline. I think the only thing that would prevent that is Hall coming in these last two games and just lighting it up. 

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@TBro said:

@purplefaithful said:

@Mattyman said:
Kirks gonna want a 2 year deal. With at least 30? (Low end guess) Million per year

He's already got 29 million dollar cap hit whenever he does leave....

Add Hunter, JJ and darrisaw and the Vikings will be tight against the cap thru 2026

You're certain kwesi is gonna sign up for that? 

$30mm wont happen...

I suspect it will be closer to $40mm  - maybe with more incentives built in then b4:

https://overthecap.com/position/quarterback

I agree. I think it will need to be a 3 year deal with significant salary guarantees that will be around $38 Million per year plus incentives to get over $40M. The QB market ratchets up a lot in 2024. I also think Cousin's dead cap hit is also factoring into him resigning here so they don't have to eat $28.5M and let him walk for nothing. 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/202...arterback/

Unfortunately, signing Cousins will likely come at the expense of not being able to sign Hunter unless Brez can get really creative. Fingers crossed. 

We still need to be all in for drafting a QBOTF in the 1st or 2nd rounds. At least we gained a lot of draft position in our loss to the Lions. If we can lose the next two weeks, I feel pretty good about getting a decent QB in the draft. We currently sit at 15 with GB at 12. A loss to the packers would inch us closer to the top ten. 

What's the point of drafting a QB immediately after you guarantee that the rookie deal he would be on is worthless?  We would be paying Cousins for all 4 years of the rookies contract, at a premium QB price.  I think if you are drafting a QB, you need to be resigning Cousins to a 1 or 2 year deal.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@IDVikingfan said:
@Norse said:

Kirk has been with the Vikings for 6 years.
4 years, I think its safe to say we wont even have made it to the playoffs.
2 years we made the playoffs, but we didn’t do much of anything.
Loss to the Giants in the wildcard pretty much sums things up with Kirk.
Running it back again and hoping for different results just doesn't seem like a winning strategy to me.
But thats all up to Kwesi and Koc.

A strong Defense and Offense is needed for success.   We didn't have a good defense last year.  IMO, it is totally wrong to place all the blame for playoff loss in 2022 on the QB.  I'd give him another chance, especially with an improved defense.  JMO

How improved will that defense be when you cant afford to keep the best player/players over there because of your contracts for that QB?

Its not Kirk thats holding the team back,  but his contract is certainly doing its part.

We need improved starters at key positions and some better depth at most positions if we are going to make a real run,  that will be tough with all the dead money as well as paying market for Kirk along with other contracts that need to be dealt with.

Okay, let Kirk walk, eat the dead money, pay all the other stars, draft a rookie QB, and hope for the best.  Seems to be the preferred plan.  Hopefully we draft one that can take his game successfully into the NFL and understand KOC's offense.  I've been hoping for the best during the last 54 seasons.  What's one more?

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Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins admitted that he wondered if his Achilles injury would be career ending.
Cousins was a guest on The Adam Schefter Podcast Tuesday and said, "One thought went through my head, 'Will I ever play football again?' You know, I'm an older guy, free agent, is there a market? I didn't know. I believe I will, and I believe it will be there but you wonder."
The 35-year-old quarterback suffered an Achilles tear late in the Vikings' Week 8 win over the Green Bay Packers. Cousins was in the midst of, what some consider, the best season of his career despite the team's poor start. Before his injury, Cousins had thrown for 2,331 yards, 18 touchdowns and just five interceptions while completing 69.5% of his passes.
On what popping his Achilles felt like, Cousins described the moment as "not overly painful" and said "once it tears, it tears and the pain's over."

Torn Achilles Recovery Time in NFL

NFL players torn Achilles recovery time is 10 to 12 months in general. The period varies depending on the severity of the tear or rupture and its impact.
It is hard to predict at what time an NFL player with an injured Achilles will return to the field. As per the reports, almost 30-40% of NFL players with such injuries never make their comeback at the professional level. 
Although the injured players could return in the short time frame as well, the NFL has seen a massive drop in their performance level after their comeback and almost none have regained their previous stats. 
There are two ways of treatment for the injury. One is a surgery where the surgeon will cut into the bottom of the leg and the torn tendons will be stitched together. 
Another option can be a massive amount of rest and avoiding load on the injured leg. The patients can still walk with the help of walking boots or clutches while in the recovery period. 

( Source : instagram )

Average Recovery Time For Torn AchillesThe average recovery period for the torn is 4 to 6 months. This is to return to normal activity. It might take up to a year or more to return to a professional level.
Some may return to the field with reduced performance while others may never be able to play at the professional level. But there are some miraculous examples who have returned to the field in just six months. 
Cam Akers the Running Back for the Los Angeles Rams returned to the field after 6 months of his injury fit and healthy in 2021. But the performance was not explosive as he just had 72 carries for 175 yards. 
Similarly, Tarik Cohen who previously played for the Chicago Bears is another example of a similar type of injury looking for a comeback in the NFL. He was a former RB to the Bears and is a current free agent. 
James Robinson and Justice Hill in 2021, Marlon Mack in 2020, all took the field not exceeding 47 weeks of their absence on average. 

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@minny65 said:
Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins admitted that he wondered if his Achilles injury would be career ending.
Cousins was a guest on The Adam Schefter Podcast Tuesday and said, "One thought went through my head, 'Will I ever play football again?' You know, I'm an older guy, free agent, is there a market? I didn't know. I believe I will, and I believe it will be there but you wonder."
The 35-year-old quarterback suffered an Achilles tear late in the Vikings' Week 8 win over the Green Bay Packers. Cousins was in the midst of, what some consider, the best season of his career despite the team's poor start. Before his injury, Cousins had thrown for 2,331 yards, 18 touchdowns and just five interceptions while completing 69.5% of his passes.
On what popping his Achilles felt like, Cousins described the moment as "not overly painful" and said "once it tears, it tears and the pain's over."

Torn Achilles Recovery Time in NFL

NFL players torn Achilles recovery time is 10 to 12 months in general. The period varies depending on the severity of the tear or rupture and its impact.
It is hard to predict at what time an NFL player with an injured Achilles will return to the field. As per the reports, almost 30-40% of NFL players with such injuries never make their comeback at the professional level. 
Although the injured players could return in the short time frame as well, the NFL has seen a massive drop in their performance level after their comeback and almost none have regained their previous stats. 
There are two ways of treatment for the injury. One is a surgery where the surgeon will cut into the bottom of the leg and the torn tendons will be stitched together. 
Another option can be a massive amount of rest and avoiding load on the injured leg. The patients can still walk with the help of walking boots or clutches while in the recovery period. 

( Source : instagram )

Average Recovery Time For Torn AchillesThe average recovery period for the torn is 4 to 6 months. This is to return to normal activity. It might take up to a year or more to return to a professional level.
Some may return to the field with reduced performance while others may never be able to play at the professional level. But there are some miraculous examples who have returned to the field in just six months. 
Cam Akers the Running Back for the Los Angeles Rams returned to the field after 6 months of his injury fit and healthy in 2021. But the performance was not explosive as he just had 72 carries for 175 yards. 
Similarly, Tarik Cohen who previously played for the Chicago Bears is another example of a similar type of injury looking for a comeback in the NFL. He was a former RB to the Bears and is a current free agent. 
James Robinson and Justice Hill in 2021, Marlon Mack in 2020, all took the field not exceeding 47 weeks of their absence on average. 

Wow, I find it hard to believe they didn't mention even once how each player's position factors in to his returnability timeline. They mention "reduced performance" and "explosiveness" without even bothering to mention these are not really factors for QBs.

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@MaroonBells said:

@minny65 said:
Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins admitted that he wondered if his Achilles injury would be career ending.
Cousins was a guest on The Adam Schefter Podcast Tuesday and said, "One thought went through my head, 'Will I ever play football again?' You know, I'm an older guy, free agent, is there a market? I didn't know. I believe I will, and I believe it will be there but you wonder."
The 35-year-old quarterback suffered an Achilles tear late in the Vikings' Week 8 win over the Green Bay Packers. Cousins was in the midst of, what some consider, the best season of his career despite the team's poor start. Before his injury, Cousins had thrown for 2,331 yards, 18 touchdowns and just five interceptions while completing 69.5% of his passes.
On what popping his Achilles felt like, Cousins described the moment as "not overly painful" and said "once it tears, it tears and the pain's over."

Torn Achilles Recovery Time in NFL

NFL players torn Achilles recovery time is 10 to 12 months in general. The period varies depending on the severity of the tear or rupture and its impact.
It is hard to predict at what time an NFL player with an injured Achilles will return to the field. As per the reports, almost 30-40% of NFL players with such injuries never make their comeback at the professional level. 
Although the injured players could return in the short time frame as well, the NFL has seen a massive drop in their performance level after their comeback and almost none have regained their previous stats. 
There are two ways of treatment for the injury. One is a surgery where the surgeon will cut into the bottom of the leg and the torn tendons will be stitched together. 
Another option can be a massive amount of rest and avoiding load on the injured leg. The patients can still walk with the help of walking boots or clutches while in the recovery period. 

( Source : instagram )

Average Recovery Time For Torn AchillesThe average recovery period for the torn is 4 to 6 months. This is to return to normal activity. It might take up to a year or more to return to a professional level.
Some may return to the field with reduced performance while others may never be able to play at the professional level. But there are some miraculous examples who have returned to the field in just six months. 
Cam Akers the Running Back for the Los Angeles Rams returned to the field after 6 months of his injury fit and healthy in 2021. But the performance was not explosive as he just had 72 carries for 175 yards. 
Similarly, Tarik Cohen who previously played for the Chicago Bears is another example of a similar type of injury looking for a comeback in the NFL. He was a former RB to the Bears and is a current free agent. 
James Robinson and Justice Hill in 2021, Marlon Mack in 2020, all took the field not exceeding 47 weeks of their absence on average. 

Wow, I find it hard to believe they didn't mention even once how each player's position factors in to his returnability timeline. They mention "reduced performance" and "explosiveness" without even bothering to mention these are not really factors for QBs.

or age

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@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:
The uncertainty of the achilles almost forces the Vikings to go QB high in the next draft. 

I think the Vikings would draft a QB even without the injury. I think they'll even move up for one. It's just time to get the QBOTF in the pipeline. I think the only thing that would prevent that is Hall coming in these last two games and just lighting it up. 

I am rooting for Hall to light it up,  but even with that said,  I will be pissed if they still dont take a QB in the draft,  how many times have we seen rookies look like future HOF for a few games, but give pro level DCs a little time to review their game tape and they fall back to earth.  That pipeline you mention should always have at least 1 QB in training,  be better if it were 2,  so IMO regardless of what we learn or dont learn these next 2 weeks,  we need to be picking QB in the first come April.

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@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:
The uncertainty of the achilles almost forces the Vikings to go QB high in the next draft. 

I think the Vikings would draft a QB even without the injury. I think they'll even move up for one. It's just time to get the QBOTF in the pipeline. I think the only thing that would prevent that is Hall coming in these last two games and just lighting it up. 

I am rooting for Hall to light it up,  but even with that said,  I will be pissed if they still dont take a QB in the draft,  how many times have we seen rookies look like future HOF for a few games, but give pro level DCs a little time to review their game tape and they fall back to earth.  That pipeline you mention should always have at least 1 QB in training,  be better if it were 2,  so IMO regardless of what we learn or dont learn these next 2 weeks,  we need to be picking QB in the first come April.

I agree. Wouldn't matter to me how well Hall does. I'd still take a QB.

But with Cousins signed and Hall looking terrific, the team might start to get real tempted by one of those edges, particularly if the QBs don't fall right for us. 

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@MaroonBells said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@MaroonBells said:

@purplefaithful said:
The uncertainty of the achilles almost forces the Vikings to go QB high in the next draft. 

I think the Vikings would draft a QB even without the injury. I think they'll even move up for one. It's just time to get the QBOTF in the pipeline. I think the only thing that would prevent that is Hall coming in these last two games and just lighting it up. 

I am rooting for Hall to light it up,  but even with that said,  I will be pissed if they still dont take a QB in the draft,  how many times have we seen rookies look like future HOF for a few games, but give pro level DCs a little time to review their game tape and they fall back to earth.  That pipeline you mention should always have at least 1 QB in training,  be better if it were 2,  so IMO regardless of what we learn or dont learn these next 2 weeks,  we need to be picking QB in the first come April.

I agree. Wouldn't matter to me how well Hall does. I'd still take a QB.

But with Cousins signed and Hall looking terrific, the team might start to get real tempted by one of those edges, particularly if the QBs don't fall right for us. 

I think its going to be very difficult for Hall to 'look good' with all the injuries the team currently has.