I think this game is purely on Dobbs and whatever KOC did or
didn’t do to get him ready. It kind of
feels like teams have had enough time to see our strengths and weaknesses with
Dobbs as QB and he just hasn’t progressed enough in our offense to really have
enough counters. It really seemed like
Chicago knew what we were going to do, had guys dropping into those zones, and
we just weren’t ready for it or had any answers.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
So if I get this right....
The QB throws 4 int's, is off on 85% of his throws all night, the coach limits his passing cause the guy is clearly in over his head..
So this is the coaches fault?
Yes. The KOC critics have never blamed the turnovers. Not sure why, you'd have to ask them. In their eyes apparently, there are no bad QBs, only bad coaches/play callers. Whatever is most convenient for their narrative. Yet KOC never gets any credit for Kirko having his best years under him strangely.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
So if I get this right....
The QB throws 4 int's, is off on 85% of his throws all night, the coach limits his passing cause the guy is clearly in over his head..
So this is the coaches fault?
Yes. The KOC critics have never blamed the turnovers. Not sure why, you'd have to ask them. In their eyes apparently, there are no bad QBs, only bad coaches/play callers. Whatever is most convenient for their narrative. Yet KOC never gets any credit for Kirko having his best years under him strangely.
Yeah the "KO can't coach" narrative is bogus and way too strong for some around here. Not sure why. But I can admit last night and to some degree against Denver, I've been disappointed with what he's done/hasn't done. Hoping for better post-bye.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Yes. The KOC critics have never blamed the turnovers. Not sure why, you'd have to ask them. In their eyes apparently, there are no bad QBs, only bad coaches/play callers. Whatever is most convenient for their narrative. Yet KOC never gets any credit for Kirko having his best years under him strangely.
So to clarify if KOC played to win, ran plays on the last drive designed to help us get a first down instead of sitting on it, we still would have lost anyways? So it wouldn't have mattered if we played to win? Also, KOC had nothing to do with forcing Dobbs into playing from the pocket all night and being in a position to use his best abilities? Turnovers are a part of the game, coaching needs to find a way a way to make adjustments and adapt to adversity, both our HC and DC consistently fall apart in the face of big game moments. Last two losses were mostly contributed to poor coaching on both sides of the ball at the end of the game. If that was Zimmer, there would be 20 threads right now blasting him. And yes, KOC has gotten all the credit for turning Cousins around. He would be a great QB coach and that is where he will eventually end up.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
So if I get this right....
The QB throws 4 int's, is off on 85% of his throws all night, the coach limits his passing cause the guy is clearly in over his head..
So this is the coaches fault?
Exactly. KOC has had better games and will again. But when your QB throws 4 picks and folks wonder why he got conservative, you can only just shake your head.
Look at the stats for both the Bears games this season. “Very similar”
Kirk put up 12 points Dobbs put up 10.
But Dobbs had more turnovers in his game.
The first game Fields got knocked out of.
I blame coaching for a lot of the problems. KOC got out coached.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
So if I get this right....
The QB throws 4 int's, is off on 85% of his throws all night, the coach limits his passing cause the guy is clearly in over his head..
So this is the coaches fault?
Exactly. KOC has had better games and will again. But when your QB throws 4 picks and folks wonder why he got conservative, you can only just shake your head.
So you feel it was the right call at the end of the game to run the ball up the middle twice and then a screen pass on 3rd and 10? The ball was at the 40, even after running twice, what did you have to lose by throwing downfield for the first? If he throws a pick it is still on their side of the field, it is not like the ball was at our 20. There was very little risk there to throw with that field position. But just to be clear all of you who are defending KOC thought those were the best 3 plays to run and not to make any attempt to get a first with the Bears only needing a FG to win and after seeing our defense fall apart last week in a similar situation?
I hate to admit it, but KOC was outcoached by Eberflus. The more time he and Dobbs have spent together working on this offense, the worse it looks. After 2 games, Teams have figured out how to attack Dobbs. Bring lots of pressure and he will make a ton of mistakes and be a turnover machine. The more structure that KOC has tried to add with Dobbs, his off script playmaking ability has disappeared. The passing scheme looks flawed with a lot of slow developing routes that don't have enough time to get open, and receivers who are not creating any separation. With his inaccuracy, tight window throws are now 50/50 balls. You can't coach "Not to Lose" and that is exactly what KOC did and admitted in his press conference. It will be an interesting Bye Week to see who they eventually decide to go with at QB vs. the Raiders.
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
So if I get this right....
The QB throws 4 int's, is off on 85% of his throws all night, the coach limits his passing cause the guy is clearly in over his head..
So this is the coaches fault?
Exactly. KOC has had better games and will again. But when your QB throws 4 picks and folks wonder why he got conservative, you can only just shake your head.
So you feel it was the right call at the end of the game to run the ball up the middle twice and then a screen pass on 3rd and 10? The ball was at the 40, even after running twice, what did you have to lose by throwing downfield for the first? If he throws a pick it is still on their side of the field, it is not like the ball was at our 20. There was very little risk there to throw with that field position. But just to be clear all of you who are defending KOC thought those were the best 3 plays to run and not to make any attempt to get a first with the Bears only needing a FG to win and after seeing our defense fall apart last week in a similar situation?
For me personally, as a fan that is 'defending' KOC, he's not beyond reproach. I've never said that. I'm saying he's not a 'bad' coach or he's getting 'outcoached' as others are saying. He has his less than optimal play calling moments for sure. But he's an excellent HC IMO.
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
So if I get this right....
The QB throws 4 int's, is off on 85% of his throws all night, the coach limits his passing cause the guy is clearly in over his head..
So this is the coaches fault?
Exactly. KOC has had better games and will again. But when your QB throws 4 picks and folks wonder why he got conservative, you can only just shake your head.
So you feel it was the right call at the end of the game to run the ball up the middle twice and then a screen pass on 3rd and 10? The ball was at the 40, even after running twice, what did you have to lose by throwing downfield for the first? If he throws a pick it is still on their side of the field, it is not like the ball was at our 20. There was very little risk there to throw with that field position. But just to be clear all of you who are defending KOC thought those were the best 3 plays to run and not to make any attempt to get a first with the Bears only needing a FG to win and after seeing our defense fall apart last week in a similar situation?
Yes. In a perfect world, your QB would be on target and you'd throw a high percentage stick or quick out on one of those downs. But in the real world, Dobbs was struggling with even those.
Trust me, if we had called a pass downfield and Dobbs threw a pick, or was sacked deep in the pocket out of field goal range, or even threw an incompletion stopping the clock, the bitching would be even louder, and rightfully so. It was the right decision to run the ball in that situation.
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