Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
purgatory sucks and I said as much in another thread...
That said, w/out JJ? The wins will be harder to come by
Addison is a rookie
Mattison has looked pedestrian
KJ/TJ - both are just not on their "A games" this year
If I recall right, the Chiefs made a big move up to top 10/12 to get Mahomes? So nice things can happen to those with the balls to make a move.
I can almost guarantee the Wilfs will look at it as if we can get an immediate impact player and improve on a deficiency, re-sign Kirk, it puts us right into the contender conversation. Kwesi's seat should be getting warm by that point and he will also be needing immediate impact on the field. The clear defenciencies are along both lines. I could easily see us winning 7 or 8 games, bringing Cousins back on a short extension, and once again taking a swing on a mid round quarterback. I would bet money that's the most likely scenario at this point
I'm not sure as fans we can continue to put the OL in the same conversation as the DL?
Look at the thread @ StickyBun started on OL pff scores. Those guys are really improving - most of them anyhow.
so if we cant blame the OL for the shitty O performances anymore.... now whats the excuse going to be, because the O was shit yesterday.
whole lotta things, but this teams was -9 turnover ratio going into yesterday....I believe that led the league.
Edit:
We're now -7.0 (3rd worst in the league)
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/view/turnovers/table/miscellaneous/sort/turnOverDifferential/dir/desc
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ purplefaithful said:
purgatory sucks and I said as much in another thread...
That said, w/out JJ? The wins will be harder to come by
Addison is a rookie
Mattison has looked pedestrian
KJ/TJ - both are just not on their "A games" this year
If I recall right, the Chiefs made a big move up to top 10/12 to get Mahomes? So nice things can happen to those with the balls to make a move.
I can almost guarantee the Wilfs will look at it as if we can get an immediate impact player and improve on a deficiency, re-sign Kirk, it puts us right into the contender conversation. Kwesi's seat should be getting warm by that point and he will also be needing immediate impact on the field. The clear defenciencies are along both lines. I could easily see us winning 7 or 8 games, bringing Cousins back on a short extension, and once again taking a swing on a mid round quarterback. I would bet money that's the most likely scenario at this point
I'm not sure as fans we can continue to put the OL in the same conversation as the DL?
Look at the thread @ StickyBun started on OL pff scores. Those guys are really improving - most of them anyhow.
The defensive line is worse, but Cleveland is a free agent this offseason and we can opt out of the final two years on Bradbury's deal with zero dead cap hits. That's something they will likely consider at the end of the season.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
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If I recall right, the Chiefs made a big move up to top 10/12 to get Mahomes? So nice things can happen to those with the balls to make a move.
The more important takeaway with Mahomes is that you don’t
need a top draft pick to get a top QB.
Having the balls to move up a lot only works if you can pick the right
guy and all the other teams ahead of you don’t recognize the greatness that you
see. Having the balls to spend a lot of
draft capital to pick the wrong guy is a strategy that will cement you as a
perennial loser. And I think that if
there’s anything to learn from the draft it’s that teams aren’t that great at
being able to tell the difference between surefire studs and guys that bust.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ purplefaithful said:
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If I recall right, the Chiefs made a big move up to top 10/12 to get Mahomes? So nice things can happen to those with the balls to make a move.
The more important takeaway with Mahomes is that you don’t
need a top draft pick to get a top QB.
Having the balls to move up a lot only works if you can pick the right
guy and all the other teams ahead of you don’t recognize the greatness that you
see. Having the balls to spend a lot of
draft capital to pick the wrong guy is a strategy that will cement you as a
perennial loser. And I think that if
there’s anything to learn from the draft it’s that teams aren’t that great at
being able to tell the difference between surefire studs and guys that bust.
We are fucked.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Kiper updated his top 25 big board a few days ago. Still has Williams at 1, Maye at 2, and Shaduer Sanders at 5. Otherwise he doesn't have another quarterback on his list. Heavy on offensive and defensive lineman (strong group), and receivers, which has been the trend.
Just my hunch at this point, but Ive always said we aren't a bad enough team to be drafting top 10. We likely extend Cousins and probably draft a defensive lineman with that becoming a heavy favorite if we do in fact trade Hunter in the coming weeks. Same old Vikings...wash, rinse, repeat...
I think my head would explode, I would definitely be needing Maroons tv repair guys number.
Brace yourself because we are probably going on a run after this 49ers game. We'll end up with 7 or 8 wins when all is said and done and the front office will have reached their competitive mandate.
If that happens we could still pick McCarthy or Penix, that is if Kiper is correct.
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ supafreak84 said:
Kiper updated his top 25 big board a few days ago. Still has Williams at 1, Maye at 2, and Shaduer Sanders at 5. Otherwise he doesn't have another quarterback on his list. Heavy on offensive and defensive lineman (strong group), and receivers, which has been the trend.
Just my hunch at this point, but Ive always said we aren't a bad enough team to be drafting top 10. We likely extend Cousins and probably draft a defensive lineman with that becoming a heavy favorite if we do in fact trade Hunter in the coming weeks. Same old Vikings...wash, rinse, repeat...
I think my head would explode, I would definitely be needing Maroons tv repair guys number.
Brace yourself because we are probably going on a run after this 49ers game. We'll end up with 7 or 8 wins when all is said and done and the front office will have reached their competitive mandate.
If that happens we could still pick McCarthy or Penix, that is if Kiper is correct.
there will be some that drop, there will be some that decide they will stay in college one more year, there will be some that arent worth taking despite what the talking heads preach, there for sure will be a name or two that jump up, and some that will fall down, and then there are always injuries that can play into the equation. I think this could be the year of the QB, like we havent seen in a long time, I can usually pick apart the top 5 pretty easily, but this batch of kids to me seem to be the best crop we have seen in quite a while as far as being PRO type candidates.
Seeing some mocks that insinuate there are only 2 QBs worth first round grades: Caleb Williams and Drake Maye. Could be true in theory, good luck having some GMs keep it in their pants the whole first round and not pull the trigger on another QB. Its the NFL and you have people that think they know things other teams don't.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
Seeing some mocks that insinuate there are only 2 QBs worth first round grades: Caleb Williams and Drake Maye. Could be true in theory, good luck having some GMs keep it in their pants the whole first round and not pull the trigger on another QB. Its the NFL and you have people that think they know things other teams don't.
I would be extremely happy if it went down like that. There would be at least 2 more QB's worth taking later in the first round. I only wish our GM had a brain at that point of the draft.
Quote: @FLVike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Seeing some mocks that insinuate there are only 2 QBs worth first round grades: Caleb Williams and Drake Maye. Could be true in theory, good luck having some GMs keep it in their pants the whole first round and not pull the trigger on another QB. Its the NFL and you have people that think they know things other teams don't.
I would be extremely happy if it went down like that. There would be at least 2 more QB's worth taking later in the first round. I only wish our GM had a brain at that point of the draft.
Says who? You know what I mean? Hell, Drake Maye could be a bust. 'Worth taking' is in the eye of the beholder. And we've already seen what happens when teams give up the farm to move up for guys.
I'll be shocked if the Vikings don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds. Who and where will be the interesting part.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ FLVike said:
@ StickyBun said:
Seeing some mocks that insinuate there are only 2 QBs worth first round grades: Caleb Williams and Drake Maye. Could be true in theory, good luck having some GMs keep it in their pants the whole first round and not pull the trigger on another QB. Its the NFL and you have people that think they know things other teams don't.
I would be extremely happy if it went down like that. There would be at least 2 more QB's worth taking later in the first round. I only wish our GM had a brain at that point of the draft.
Says who? You know what I mean? Hell, Drake Maye could be a bust. 'Worth taking' is in the eye of the beholder. And we've already seen what happens when teams give up the farm to move up for guys.
I'll be shocked if the Vikings don't take a QB in the first 2 rounds. Who and where will be the interesting part.
Mark my words, Penix and McCarthy will be very good NFL QB's.
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