Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
Some trades work, and some don't. The Vikes gave up a 1st and 4th
for Bradford who was only decent for one season and led them to an 8-8
season. Was that a good trade by veteran GM Spielman? I don't think so.Both Reagor and Blacklock did Ok for one season, but at least they didn't give up much.
Reagor did ok? No he didn't, that trade was a fail by about any measurement. Blacklock was such a non factor i cant even remember if he was on the field last year at all.
Reagor only had 1 TD as a WR, but he was the first string PR on STs. I think PR was the main reason for the trade, and they hoped he'd contribute as WR. I don't think it was that bad of a trade, but I agree it didn't workout long term. Blacklock did record a sack, but mainly was there as a backup.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
Some trades work, and some don't. The Vikes gave up a 1st and 4th
for Bradford who was only decent for one season and led them to an 8-8
season. Was that a good trade by veteran GM Spielman? I don't think so.Both Reagor and Blacklock did Ok for one season, but at least they didn't give up much.
Reagor did ok? No he didn't, that trade was a fail by about any measurement. Blacklock was such a non factor i cant even remember if he was on the field last year at all.
Reagor only had 1 TD as a WR, but he was the first string PR on STs. I think PR was the main reason for the trade, and they hoped he'd contribute as WR. I don't think it was that bad of a trade, but I agree it didn't workout long term. Blacklock did record a sack, but mainly was there as a backup.
A 5th and a 7th for 1 year of PR duty and some shit receiver play with no compensation just said bad trade for me. He wasn't all that great at PR either.
I dont remember what we gave up for Blacklock, but we could have gotten that production from a waiver wire free agent.
KAM needs to apply logic to some of his analytics to make this work, I am still hoping to see the genius of his plan, but so far I am just seeing a lot of head scratches. Will be interesting to see where we are a year from now.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
Some trades work, and some don't. The Vikes gave up a 1st and 4th
for Bradford who was only decent for one season and led them to an 8-8
season. Was that a good trade by veteran GM Spielman? I don't think so.Both Reagor and Blacklock did Ok for one season, but at least they didn't give up much.
Reagor did ok? No he didn't, that trade was a fail by about any measurement. Blacklock was such a non factor i cant even remember if he was on the field last year at all.
Reagor only had 1 TD as a WR, but he was the first string PR on STs. I think PR was the main reason for the trade, and they hoped he'd contribute as WR. I don't think it was that bad of a trade, but I agree it didn't workout long term. Blacklock did record a sack, but mainly was there as a backup.
A 5th and a 7th for 1 year of PR duty and some shit receiver play with no compensation just said bad trade for me. He wasn't all that great at PR either.
I dont remember what we gave up for Blacklock, but we could have gotten that production from a waiver wire free agent.
KAM needs to apply logic to some of his analytics to make this work, I am still hoping to see the genius of his plan, but so far I am just seeing a lot of head scratches. Will be interesting to see where we are a year from now.
Reagor was drafted ahead of JJ, so they took a swing to see if they could turn things around for him. At least he filled a need at PR, but overall the trade didn't work. Big deal.
Didn't hate Rick and don't hate KAM. Just questioning his decisions. I and a few here believe that his decisions are not good and that it was easy to see when he made those decisions that they were actually terrible.I will never get over or never comprehend how any team can trade up 20 spots in the first round of a draft for what we got. You can try to explain it until you are blue in the face but unless there is a first round pick that we got from the Lions that was kept secret and will be revealed at a later date then don't waste your time.
Quote: @HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ HappyViking said:
Some trades work, and some don't. The Vikes gave up a 1st and 4th
for Bradford who was only decent for one season and led them to an 8-8
season. Was that a good trade by veteran GM Spielman? I don't think so.Both Reagor and Blacklock did Ok for one season, but at least they didn't give up much.
Reagor did ok? No he didn't, that trade was a fail by about any measurement. Blacklock was such a non factor i cant even remember if he was on the field last year at all.
Reagor only had 1 TD as a WR, but he was the first string PR on STs. I think PR was the main reason for the trade, and they hoped he'd contribute as WR. I don't think it was that bad of a trade, but I agree it didn't workout long term. Blacklock did record a sack, but mainly was there as a backup.
A 5th and a 7th for 1 year of PR duty and some shit receiver play with no compensation just said bad trade for me. He wasn't all that great at PR either.
I dont remember what we gave up for Blacklock, but we could have gotten that production from a waiver wire free agent.
KAM needs to apply logic to some of his analytics to make this work, I am still hoping to see the genius of his plan, but so far I am just seeing a lot of head scratches. Will be interesting to see where we are a year from now.
Reagor was drafted ahead of JJ, so they took a swing to see if they could turn things around for him. At least he filled a need at PR, but overall the trade didn't work. Big deal.
At the time of that Reagor trade I felt it was not a good move. Not so much about what we gave up (7th and conditional 4th/5th which ended up being a 5th), because day 2 picks are just low value chips at a poker table that fans tend to overrate the value of, but because his track record in Philly was not good and you have to question any team spending a 1st on a guy then being so quick to quit on him.
KAM I'm sure has some analytics that say there is some % chance that you can recycle another team's trash and find treasure, but I think the general problem with NFL analytics applies - small sample sizes. Maybe that would be true if you could make 100 such trades in 10 years, but even then, how many gems come out of the shitpile and what did you give up along the way in the aggregate not just on say, 2-3 trades that yielded gems, but all the time/capital you spent sifting trash?
Picking up trash is not just the obvious costs - draft picks, and the frustration if it fails. It's the opportunity costs as well - the draft picks might have yielded equal or greater value, and the time spent rostering the trash and trying to develop it could have been spent on potentially more productive players.
A team has no choice but to work with a lot of guys on the margins trying to fill the bottom of the roster, develop serviceable guys, etc. so to some extent, where/how you acquire those guys might not be as a big a deal as people want to make it out to be. You have to buy them either through the draft, trades, udfa signings, whatever. But I question the idea that KAM or anyone else has some metrics that are truly predictive wrt castoffs.
But even if he does, there are times when common sense should inform you as much as the Excel sheet does - Philly quitting on a guy they spent big capital on doesn't smell like opportunity for someone else, any more than SF quitting on Lance. Some guys just don't have what it takes and you really don't want to start investing in the "We've got magic that turns turds into gold around here" notion, whether it's analytical magic or whatever you're smoking.
We should have just said no to Reagor and kept Ihmir-Marsette...who actually had trade value yesterday
Quote: @badgervike said:
We should have just said no to Reagor and kept Ihmir-Marsette...who actually had trade value yesterday
ism may have more upside pr at this point more value,but if I rember I think there were wispers of charter locker room problems like ism clashing with jj. this is also his 4th team already so he could be a turd
Quote: @Viking1987 said:
@ badgervike said:
We should have just said no to Reagor and kept Ihmir-Marsette...who actually had trade value yesterday
ism may have more upside pr at this point more value,but if I rember I think there were wispers of charter locker room problems like ism clashing with jj. this is also his 4th team already so he could be a turd
Yeah, I don't think a guy that couldn't stick with the WR room in Chicago is someone that we needed to keep. We took Reagor from his first team. IMS was just trade to his 4th?
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Quote: @Knucklehead said:
How quickly we forget trading a 5th for Kaare Vedvik who never even made it out of camp & a 4th for Chris Herndon.
Yep, brutal. All GMs have this kind of stuff on their record and in their history, it goes with the job. Take a look at the Patriots 2022 Draft class, its horrible. Yet a few are just over the top with the critique of KAM already. Its really ridiculous. Just can't wait to judge with the hidden agendas.
Trust me, we'll all have plenty of time to bitch when the time calls for it. That time isn't now.
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