Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
As a season tix holder I hate paying for pre-season. I just give the tix away, not going to give that caliber of play/player my valuable time to park, drive etc.
As far as Chandler goes, can you really tell s hit behind that OL?
I suspect he'll be just fine as a #2 behind the starters.
Honestly, I have more question marks about MAttison bringing explosion to the running game with Cook gone.
Agreed. We will lose the explosive factor that Cook brought. But I think what KOC also wanted was to run the ball more effectively in short yardage in order to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field, something Cook wasn't especially good at.
We'll just have to wait and see on that. Vea, Gaines and Kancey week one is a tall order and will tell us a lot.
Was he not especially good at it, or in reality were we just having a lot of the same interior run problems along the offensive line that we've seen in training camp and preseason thus far? Dalvin has never been a dancer and I'd say I saw more of the latter last year. Mattison better buckle up his chin strap...
Don't know. No one has seen either Mattison or the starting line yet this year.
But if I need a yard and I'm running wide zone behind Darrisaw, I'm going to prefer a runner who doesn't spend a lot of time behind the line of scrimmage.
Dalvin is one of the quickest, most explosive backs in the league (and a wide zone specialist). My concern is if we are allowing penetration and Cook was getting tackled in the backfield regularly, what do you think happens to Mattison who is the more lumbering player? Going to be interesting to track the running game this year
Since we haven't yet seen the first few running plays in the regular season, I'm going to remain optimistic until then. I'm not going be someone that hopes and prays for failure, so he has something to write about and tells everyone else "I told you so".
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ StickyBun said:
Again I ask: what the hell good is preseason for? You can't tell a damn thing about anything. Its a shit show.
You can tell your back up plan isn't very good, now just pray your primary plan is much much better.
Well, not sure even how much you find out in this scenario about backups. Its just controlled chaos. If you brought a few of these guys up for plays with the starters, they might shine. Or greatly improve. But when the 3rd string OT is next to you with the backup center and you're the OG between them and they both run a different play then what's called or get annihilated by the 3rd string NT, how good could you possibly look? Its just a dumb structure for $$$$ for the owners (preseason games). Every year, less starters are exposed to these useless games.
You can see guys flash, even when they are surrounded by ineptitude. If you arent seeing that from a fee guys here or there you either don't know what to look for, or it isn't there.
Keep in mind, they are playing with crap around them, but they typically are playing against similar situations and should be able to shine at times.
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
As a season tix holder I hate paying for pre-season. I just give the tix away, not going to give that caliber of play/player my valuable time to park, drive etc.
As far as Chandler goes, can you really tell s hit behind that OL?
I suspect he'll be just fine as a #2 behind the starters.
Honestly, I have more question marks about MAttison bringing explosion to the running game with Cook gone.
Agreed. We will lose the explosive factor that Cook brought. But I think what KOC also wanted was to run the ball more effectively in short yardage in order to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field, something Cook wasn't especially good at.
We'll just have to wait and see on that. Vea, Gaines and Kancey week one is a tall order and will tell us a lot.
Was he not especially good at it, or in reality were we just having a lot of the same interior run problems along the offensive line that we've seen in training camp and preseason thus far? Dalvin has never been a dancer and I'd say I saw more of the latter last year. Mattison better buckle up his chin strap...
Don't know. No one has seen either Mattison or the starting line yet this year.
But if I need a yard and I'm running wide zone behind Darrisaw, I'm going to prefer a runner who doesn't spend a lot of time behind the line of scrimmage.
Dalvin is one of the quickest, most explosive backs in the league (and a wide zone specialist). My concern is if we are allowing penetration and Cook was getting tackled in the backfield regularly, what do you think happens to Mattison who is the more lumbering player? Going to be interesting to track the running game this year
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
As a season tix holder I hate paying for pre-season. I just give the tix away, not going to give that caliber of play/player my valuable time to park, drive etc.
As far as Chandler goes, can you really tell s hit behind that OL?
I suspect he'll be just fine as a #2 behind the starters.
Honestly, I have more question marks about MAttison bringing explosion to the running game with Cook gone.
Agreed. We will lose the explosive factor that Cook brought. But I think what KOC also wanted was to run the ball more effectively in short yardage in order to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field, something Cook wasn't especially good at.
We'll just have to wait and see on that. Vea, Gaines and Kancey week one is a tall order and will tell us a lot.
Was he not especially good at it, or in reality were we just having a lot of the same interior run problems along the offensive line that we've seen in training camp and preseason thus far? Dalvin has never been a dancer and I'd say I saw more of the latter last year. Mattison better buckle up his chin strap...
Don't know. No one has seen either Mattison or the starting line yet this year.
But if I need a yard and I'm running wide zone behind Darrisaw, I'm going to prefer a runner who doesn't spend a lot of time behind the line of scrimmage.
All I know is if DC's think they can play 2 safeties deep against the Vikings, its going to be tough. Hell, I'll bet they did that a bunch last year just cause of JJ.
TJH, Addison and Mattison all have to do their part to make em pay.
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ 1VikesFan said:
I was shocked that Mahomes and Allen actually played yesterday and that Rodgers is going to play in the Jets final preseason game.
I think it is a good idea to have the starters suit up and get a series or two in, it gets everyone on the same page and ready to play a football game as a team. I really do not like what I am seeing on the sideline with players who are not playing, it does not look like a football team, feel bad for the guys who are trying to make the team and play a football game while the rest of the guys are laughing it up.
I can understand teams not wanting to play their QB, but it has gone way too far with all these marginal starters not playing as well, these guys need the reps and many are not much better if any than the guys playing.
I disagree...
KOC didnt win a pre-season game last year and they posted 13 wins, is there a direct cause/effect?
Camera's (I suspect) dont show how the starters may be supporting the guys playing when they get back to the sidelines. Offering assistance and feed-back.
Dont discount the importance of these dual scrimmages against the Titans/Cards; this is where the starters really hone their craft.
Preseason games are for rooks and marginal players to get their games on tape for the rest of the league to see. Hell of a lot of guys playing last night are going to be kicked to the curb in the next 10-15 days.
Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
As a season tix holder I hate paying for pre-season. I just give the tix away, not going to give that caliber of play/player my valuable time to park, drive etc.
As far as Chandler goes, can you really tell s hit behind that OL?
I suspect he'll be just fine as a #2 behind the starters.
Honestly, I have more question marks about MAttison bringing explosion to the running game with Cook gone.
Agreed. We will lose the explosive factor that Cook brought. But I think what KOC also wanted was to run the ball more effectively in short yardage in order to sustain drives and keep the defense off the field, something Cook wasn't especially good at.
We'll just have to wait and see on that. Vea, Gaines and Kancey week one is a tall order and will tell us a lot.
Was he not especially good at it, or in reality were we just having a lot of the same interior run problems along the offensive line that we've seen in training camp and preseason thus far? Dalvin has never been a dancer and I'd say I saw more of the latter last year. Mattison better buckle up his chin strap...
Don't know. No one has seen either Mattison or the starting line yet this year.
But if I need a yard and I'm running wide zone behind Darrisaw, I'm going to prefer a runner who doesn't spend a lot of time behind the line of scrimmage.
Dalvin is one of the quickest, most explosive backs in the league (and a wide zone specialist). My concern is if we are allowing penetration and Cook was getting tackled in the backfield regularly, what do you think happens to Mattison who is the more lumbering player? Going to be interesting to track the running game this year
Since we haven't yet seen the first few running plays in the regular season, I'm going to remain optimistic until then. I'm not going be someone that hopes and prays for failure, so he has something to write about and tells everyone else "I told you so".
Who is hoping for failure? We all hope they run the shit out of the ball this year, but I think we've all seen enough from the offensive line this preseason to be concerned
If you haven't noticed, this team is being built for a pass-oriented offense with the run game thrown in for good measure. You have Cousins, JJ, Hosk and Allison plus a boatload of other receivers. Behind Mattison, the rest of the running backs are built for speed to get out in the flats and run. I just don't see the Vikings establishing a run first team. It's primary thing is to push the ball downfield with the passing game.
Consider the source...shrug
The Minnesota Vikings made a bet that they could replace Dalvin Cook by committee this offseason, and it appears they may not be sold on their options behind starter Alexander Mattison.
Purple Insider’s Matthew Coller, recapping the Vikings’ preseason loss to the Tennessee Titans on August 19, wasn’t encouraged by the performance of Ty Chandler, going as far as saying he doesn’t think the Vikings trust the second-year back yet.
Chandler took a team-high 11 carries for just 24 yards behind a poor performance by the reserve offensive line on Saturday night. Regardless of statistics, the most important point of emphasis for Chandler is showing more consistency in hitting his gaps and picking up his pass-blocking assignments.
“The running back depth behind Madison just does not look good and I don’t think they trust Chandler and we really didn’t get a chance to see him do anything tonight because they couldn’t block,” Coller said on the “Purple Insider” podcast.
Minnesota has less than 10 days to decide whether its content with the running back room after hosting veterans Mike Davis and Kareem Hunt earlier this month.
Coller added that dependent on how the final preseason game and joint practices with the Arizona Cardinals go, the Vikings should consider signing one of the two veteran backs who have proven they can play in the NFL.
Following the Vikings’ preseason opener against the Seattle Seahawks, Kevin O’Connell credited Chandler for his performance while also offering where the 2022 fifth-round pick needs to improve.
“He’s just in his second year, and we’re asking a lot of him. And he’s getting reps with our first group where we’re moving pretty quick, we’re getting the full ‘Brian Flores experience’ on a daily basis, so there’s a lot of moving parts to that,” O’Connell said in a postgame media conference. “And the consistency factor, it’s one of those things that, that’s how you ultimately prove that last phase. It’s clear Ty has unbelievable physical talent with his speed, his vision and his burst, and his ability to make defenders miss – which he’s proven time and time again in those competitive situations.”
Chandler has taken 22 carries for 65 yards, averaging 2.95 yards per carry in the preseason.
O’Connell has often looked at the positives at the press podium as part of the healthier culture under the new regime, but the team’s actual usage of its running backs is revealing of whether the group is ready to succeed Cook.
https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/vikings-dont-trust-promising-rb-prospect-urged-to-sign-veteran-insider/
Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
If you haven't noticed, this team is being built for a pass-oriented offense with the run game thrown in for good measure. You have Cousins, JJ, Hosk and Allison plus a boatload of other receivers. Behind Mattison, the rest of the running backs are built for speed to get out in the flats and run. I just don't see the Vikings establishing a run first team. It's primary thing is to push the ball downfield with the passing game.
Yes we all know our best playmakers are at the passcatching positions but we still need to be able to run the ball effectively when we need to. Right now I don't know just how good we are with our interior offensive line struggling. We know the problems with Bradbudy and Ingram, and we have nothing in the way of depth behind them. Any injuries...uh oh
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
Consider the source...shrug
The Minnesota Vikings made a bet that they could replace Dalvin Cook by committee this offseason, and it appears they may not be sold on their options behind starter Alexander Mattison.
Purple Insider’s Matthew Coller, recapping the Vikings’ preseason loss to the Tennessee Titans on August 19, wasn’t encouraged by the performance of Ty Chandler, going as far as saying he doesn’t think the Vikings trust the second-year back yet.
Chandler took a team-high 11 carries for just 24 yards behind a poor performance by the reserve offensive line on Saturday night. Regardless of statistics, the most important point of emphasis for Chandler is showing more consistency in hitting his gaps and picking up his pass-blocking assignments.
“The running back depth behind Madison just does not look good and I don’t think they trust Chandler and we really didn’t get a chance to see him do anything tonight because they couldn’t block,” Coller said on the “Purple Insider” podcast.
Minnesota has less than 10 days to decide whether its content with the running back room after hosting veterans Mike Davis and Kareem Hunt earlier this month.
Coller added that dependent on how the final preseason game and joint practices with the Arizona Cardinals go, the Vikings should consider signing one of the two veteran backs who have proven they can play in the NFL.
Following the Vikings’ preseason opener against the Seattle Seahawks, Kevin O’Connell credited Chandler for his performance while also offering where the 2022 fifth-round pick needs to improve.
“He’s just in his second year, and we’re asking a lot of him. And he’s getting reps with our first group where we’re moving pretty quick, we’re getting the full ‘Brian Flores experience’ on a daily basis, so there’s a lot of moving parts to that,” O’Connell said in a postgame media conference. “And the consistency factor, it’s one of those things that, that’s how you ultimately prove that last phase. It’s clear Ty has unbelievable physical talent with his speed, his vision and his burst, and his ability to make defenders miss – which he’s proven time and time again in those competitive situations.”
Chandler has taken 22 carries for 65 yards, averaging 2.95 yards per carry in the preseason.
O’Connell has often looked at the positives at the press podium as part of the healthier culture under the new regime, but the team’s actual usage of its running backs is revealing of whether the group is ready to succeed Cook.
https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-vikings/vikings-dont-trust-promising-rb-prospect-urged-to-sign-veteran-insider/
I think the Vikings will probably target a couple of players after final cut downs. Maybe a corner. But I think one of them will be a running back.
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