The NFL allows intelligent teams to reinvent themselves on the fly. The Eagles might be the smartest team in football.Remember, when the Wilfs made their first coaching hire, they chose Brad Childress, in part because he had coached in the Eagles organization, which was at the time considered one of the NFL's model franchises.
The Eagles are even more impressive now. They are proof that in the NFL, rebuilding is measured by a stopwatch, not a sundial.
Imagine if, two years ago, someone had told you that Nick Sirianni was going to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl with Jalen Hurts as his quarterback. You might have asked them to get checked out in the blue tent.
The Eagles won their Super Bowl at U.S. Bank Stadium with second-year head coach Doug Pederson; backup quarterback Nick Foles having taken over for the injured Carson Wentz; and with skill-position players named Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, LeGarrette Blount and Zach Ertz.
This season's NFC champ features four starters who are holdovers from the team that won at U.S. Bank Stadium — offensive linemen Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce and defensive linemen Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox.
They ditched Wentz, who had been on track to win the MVP award in 2017 before he was injured, and invested in Hurts, a second-round draft pick who had lost his starting job at Alabama and was unproven as a passer.
Pederson won the Super Bowl in his second year as Eagles head coach. He was replaced with Sirianni, a seemingly anonymous offensive assistant with the Colts. Sirianni is taking the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his second season as head coach.
A year ago, Hurts was an impressive runner who struggled to pass against better defenses. This year, he was efficient as a runner and passer and might have been the front-runner for NFL MVP if he had remained healthy all season.
Other than the four remaining starters, there has been one constant for the Eagles over the past five years — General Manager Howie Roseman.
He's the most valuable member of the franchise, and proof that even the best make mistakes — and that the best can recover from them.
Roseman chose Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in the 2021 draft. He spent the second pick in the 2016 draft on Wentz.
Either is the kind of mistake that can cost you your job, but Roseman has built such strong rosters that he was able to win one title with Wentz's journeyman backup, and might win another with a second-round pick who not long ago was considered, at best, a developing passer.
The Vikings might drool over Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, but Roseman is proof that winning in the NFL is about more than star quarterbacks.
While Bill Belichick has won nothing without Tom Brady as his quarterback, Roseman built a team that beat Brady in the Super Bowl with a backup quarterback.
Now Roseman has a chance to win two Super Bowls, five years apart, with a new head coach, coordinators, quarterbacks, skill-position players, linebackers and secondary.
Virtually everyone who visits Philadelphia for a sporting event pays homage to the Rocky statue in front of the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
Spoiler alert: Rocky was a fictional character. His victories were the product of scriptwriters.
In Philly these days, Roseman is the scriptwriter. His statue should stand next to Rocky's. And it should be bigger.
https://www.startribune.com/philadelphia-eagles-smart-rebuilding-decisions-have-landed-another-super-bowl-berth-jim-souhan/600247584/
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The NFL allows intelligent teams to reinvent themselves on the fly. The Eagles might be the smartest team in football.Remember, when the Wilfs made their first coaching hire, they chose Brad Childress, in part because he had coached in the Eagles organization, which was at the time considered one of the NFL's model franchises.
The Eagles are even more impressive now. They are proof that in the NFL, rebuilding is measured by a stopwatch, not a sundial.
Imagine if, two years ago, someone had told you that Nick Sirianni was going to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl with Jalen Hurts as his quarterback. You might have asked them to get checked out in the blue tent.
The Eagles won their Super Bowl at U.S. Bank Stadium with second-year head coach Doug Pederson; backup quarterback Nick Foles having taken over for the injured Carson Wentz; and with skill-position players named Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, LeGarrette Blount and Zach Ertz.
This season's NFC champ features four starters who are holdovers from the team that won at U.S. Bank Stadium — offensive linemen Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce and defensive linemen Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox.
They ditched Wentz, who had been on track to win the MVP award in 2017 before he was injured, and invested in Hurts, a second-round draft pick who had lost his starting job at Alabama and was unproven as a passer.
Pederson won the Super Bowl in his second year as Eagles head coach. He was replaced with Sirianni, a seemingly anonymous offensive assistant with the Colts. Sirianni is taking the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his second season as head coach.
A year ago, Hurts was an impressive runner who struggled to pass against better defenses. This year, he was efficient as a runner and passer and might have been the front-runner for NFL MVP if he had remained healthy all season.
Other than the four remaining starters, there has been one constant for the Eagles over the past five years — General Manager Howie Roseman.
He's the most valuable member of the franchise, and proof that even the best make mistakes — and that the best can recover from them.
Roseman chose Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in the 2021 draft. He spent the second pick in the 2016 draft on Wentz.
Either is the kind of mistake that can cost you your job, but Roseman has built such strong rosters that he was able to win one title with Wentz's journeyman backup, and might win another with a second-round pick who not long ago was considered, at best, a developing passer.
The Vikings might drool over Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, but Roseman is proof that winning in the NFL is about more than star quarterbacks.
While Bill Belichick has won nothing without Tom Brady as his quarterback, Roseman built a team that beat Brady in the Super Bowl with a backup quarterback.
Now Roseman has a chance to win two Super Bowls, five years apart, with a new head coach, coordinators, quarterbacks, skill-position players, linebackers and secondary.
Virtually everyone who visits Philadelphia for a sporting event pays homage to the Rocky statue in front of the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
Spoiler alert: Rocky was a fictional character. His victories were the product of scriptwriters.
In Philly these days, Roseman is the scriptwriter. His statue should stand next to Rocky's. And it should be bigger.
https://www.startribune.com/philadelphia-eagles-smart-rebuilding-decisions-have-landed-another-super-bowl-berth-jim-souhan/600247584/
Sarcasm…
But Roseman missed on Jefferson
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@ JimmyinSD said:
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Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
I would prefer prioritizing building from the trenches on out - but its not either or.
Not after watching the Championship games this weekend.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
I would prefer prioritizing building from the trenches on out - but its not either or.
Not after watching the Championship games this weekend.
odds are much greater that quality OL and DL will trump a few elite play makers on a team. Hell the Bengals OL was beat up pretty bad and IMO that is what allowed the Chiefs to overcome a very pedestrian performance from Mahomes and is what kept Burrow from actually being able to claim naming rights. The Chiefs DL got all over Joes ass early, the Chiefs OL did just enough to keep PM ( who holds the ball like a MFer as he usually runs around, but was much more grounded this game) from being sacked and putting the O behind the chains to many times. I would argue that both of those winning teams are where they are because of their OL and DLs.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
I would prefer prioritizing building from the trenches on out - but its not either or.
Not after watching the Championship games this weekend.
odds are much greater that quality OL and DL will trump a few elite play makers on a team. Hell the Bengals OL was beat up pretty bad and IMO that is what allowed the Chiefs to overcome a very pedestrian performance from Mahomes and is what kept Burrow from actually being able to claim naming rights. The Chiefs DL got all over Joes ass early, the Chiefs OL did just enough to keep PM ( who holds the ball like a MFer as he usually runs around, but was much more grounded this game) from being sacked and putting the O behind the chains to many times. I would argue that both of those winning teams are where they are because of their OL and DLs.
Mahomes was 29/43 for 326 yards and 2 td's...thats far from pedestrian and with literally just Valdes-Scandling left with a pulse @ WR and Pacheko getting 26 yards on 10 carries.
The Bengals DC should have been blitzing the hell out of Mahomes and didnt.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
I would prefer prioritizing building from the trenches on out - but its not either or.
Not after watching the Championship games this weekend.
odds are much greater that quality OL and DL will trump a few elite play makers on a team. Hell the Bengals OL was beat up pretty bad and IMO that is what allowed the Chiefs to overcome a very pedestrian performance from Mahomes and is what kept Burrow from actually being able to claim naming rights. The Chiefs DL got all over Joes ass early, the Chiefs OL did just enough to keep PM ( who holds the ball like a MFer as he usually runs around, but was much more grounded this game) from being sacked and putting the O behind the chains to many times. I would argue that both of those winning teams are where they are because of their OL and DLs.
Mahomes was 29/43 for 326 yards and 2 td's...thats far from pedestrian and with literally just Valdes-Scandling left with a pulse @ WR and Pacheko getting 26 yards on 10 carries.
The Bengals DC should have been blitzing the hell out of Mahomes and didnt.
I've been watching PM pretty regularly for a while now and that was as close to pedestrian as you will see him play if he's on the field. aside from the one scramble that set up the game winning kick, he really did very little to extend plays with his legs, or to take a few first downs when the defense doesnt play them honest like he normally would to impact a game.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
I would prefer prioritizing building from the trenches on out - but its not either or.
Not after watching the Championship games this weekend.
odds are much greater that quality OL and DL will trump a few elite play makers on a team. Hell the Bengals OL was beat up pretty bad and IMO that is what allowed the Chiefs to overcome a very pedestrian performance from Mahomes and is what kept Burrow from actually being able to claim naming rights. The Chiefs DL got all over Joes ass early, the Chiefs OL did just enough to keep PM ( who holds the ball like a MFer as he usually runs around, but was much more grounded this game) from being sacked and putting the O behind the chains to many times. I would argue that both of those winning teams are where they are because of their OL and DLs.
Mahomes was 29/43 for 326 yards and 2 td's...thats far from pedestrian and with literally just Valdes-Scandling left with a pulse @ WR and Pacheko getting 26 yards on 10 carries.
The Bengals DC should have been blitzing the hell out of Mahomes and didnt.
I've been watching PM pretty regularly for a while now and that was as close to pedestrian as you will see him play if he's on the field. aside from the one scramble that set up the game winning kick, he really did very little to extend plays with his legs, or to take a few first downs when the defense doesnt play them honest like he normally would to impact a game.
I agree, pedestrian for Mahomes is not your average NFL QB pedestrian. He didn't look at all like the healthy Mahomes in my opinion. I was really shocked the Bengals didn't bring more heat knowing he was limited in regards to running and scrambling.
Quote: @1VikesFan said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ mblack said:
Another point that should not be lost in all this…. Eagles GM Howie Roseman is really good. Gotta give it to him. He fired a superbowl winning coach replaces him with a yound and unproven coach who gets his team to the superbowl two years later. And then the dline? Good grief!
Is that the same guy that drafted Reagor over Jefferson? The same Howie Roseman who builds championship calibre defenses that hold the Vikings to 7 points in each run whether with Jefferson or not.
Keep playing chess and “winning” the draft. Howe will be playing checkers, winning NFC championships and raising superbowl banners.
Lets celebrate drafting Jefferson
I'm not celebrating anything, just saying Howie isn't beyond reproach, pretty sure I can find plenty of warts on his resume.
Neither did I say he was. No one is even BB who has won 7. You are the one who started nitpicking. All I did was pointed the big picture and the fact that he won the altimate prize and is positioned to have a second go at it achieving it in under five years with two coaches and two reconstructed rosters and he deserves credit. We in the other hand have been trying since 1976 and are no closer. So feel free to point out he missed on Jefferson while he prepares for his second superbowl appearance
Lastly, you can still be objective and also a vikings fan
I am being objective, you are the one that was putting him on a pedestal. I simply pointed out that he chose a bust of a player over a guy that is arguably at the top of that very same position. I think making draft mistakes like that and still being able to be where he is now is likely more about luck, and having cap money to throw around to free agents to help cover up the deficiencies created by drafting poorly in the early rounds. IMO its why the Vikings are struggling, we never got lucky on key positions like QB, and as such dont have the cap space to fix the other areas of weakness that are caused by that poor drafting because we are paying high dollars to a QB that doesnt bring the value. ( this isnt a dig on KC, this is about the QB positional pay overall being out of whack in terms of what they bring in most instances)
People have often crowed about how great RS was when things were going good for the Vikings... a few years later and that hardly seems the case. IMO howie is on a lucky streak made possible by a cheap rookie deal and a bunch of decent free agents. If I were to say anything positive about him.... he seems to understand that the game is won and lost in the trenches and putting the resources there pays bigger dividends than in the skill positions.
I would prefer prioritizing building from the trenches on out - but its not either or.
Not after watching the Championship games this weekend.
odds are much greater that quality OL and DL will trump a few elite play makers on a team. Hell the Bengals OL was beat up pretty bad and IMO that is what allowed the Chiefs to overcome a very pedestrian performance from Mahomes and is what kept Burrow from actually being able to claim naming rights. The Chiefs DL got all over Joes ass early, the Chiefs OL did just enough to keep PM ( who holds the ball like a MFer as he usually runs around, but was much more grounded this game) from being sacked and putting the O behind the chains to many times. I would argue that both of those winning teams are where they are because of their OL and DLs.
Mahomes was 29/43 for 326 yards and 2 td's...thats far from pedestrian and with literally just Valdes-Scandling left with a pulse @ WR and Pacheko getting 26 yards on 10 carries.
The Bengals DC should have been blitzing the hell out of Mahomes and didnt.
I've been watching PM pretty regularly for a while now and that was as close to pedestrian as you will see him play if he's on the field. aside from the one scramble that set up the game winning kick, he really did very little to extend plays with his legs, or to take a few first downs when the defense doesnt play them honest like he normally would to impact a game.
I agree, pedestrian for Mahomes is not your average NFL QB pedestrian. He didn't look at all like the healthy Mahomes in my opinion. I was really shocked the Bengals didn't bring more heat knowing he was limited in regards to running and scrambling.
it really depends on how well you can hide your blitzes, if he sees it... he typically beats it quickly, but where PM tends to get in trouble is when he is comfortable with his pocket and thinks he has time to set up a deeper shot, and then an unrecognized or delayed blitz catches him in a tight pocket... otherwise he just makes people look foolish.... but thats without the bum wheel.
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The NFL allows intelligent teams to reinvent themselves on the fly. The Eagles might be the smartest team in football.Remember, when the Wilfs made their first coaching hire, they chose Brad Childress, in part because he had coached in the Eagles organization, which was at the time considered one of the NFL's model franchises.
The Eagles are even more impressive now. They are proof that in the NFL, rebuilding is measured by a stopwatch, not a sundial.
Imagine if, two years ago, someone had told you that Nick Sirianni was going to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl with Jalen Hurts as his quarterback. You might have asked them to get checked out in the blue tent.
The Eagles won their Super Bowl at U.S. Bank Stadium with second-year head coach Doug Pederson; backup quarterback Nick Foles having taken over for the injured Carson Wentz; and with skill-position players named Alshon Jeffery, Nelson Agholor, LeGarrette Blount and Zach Ertz.
This season's NFC champ features four starters who are holdovers from the team that won at U.S. Bank Stadium — offensive linemen Lane Johnson and Jason Kelce and defensive linemen Brandon Graham and Fletcher Cox.
They ditched Wentz, who had been on track to win the MVP award in 2017 before he was injured, and invested in Hurts, a second-round draft pick who had lost his starting job at Alabama and was unproven as a passer.
Pederson won the Super Bowl in his second year as Eagles head coach. He was replaced with Sirianni, a seemingly anonymous offensive assistant with the Colts. Sirianni is taking the Eagles to the Super Bowl in his second season as head coach.
A year ago, Hurts was an impressive runner who struggled to pass against better defenses. This year, he was efficient as a runner and passer and might have been the front-runner for NFL MVP if he had remained healthy all season.
Other than the four remaining starters, there has been one constant for the Eagles over the past five years — General Manager Howie Roseman.
He's the most valuable member of the franchise, and proof that even the best make mistakes — and that the best can recover from them.
Roseman chose Jalen Reagor over Justin Jefferson in the 2021 draft. He spent the second pick in the 2016 draft on Wentz.
Either is the kind of mistake that can cost you your job, but Roseman has built such strong rosters that he was able to win one title with Wentz's journeyman backup, and might win another with a second-round pick who not long ago was considered, at best, a developing passer.
The Vikings might drool over Patrick Mahomes and Joe Burrow, but Roseman is proof that winning in the NFL is about more than star quarterbacks.
While Bill Belichick has won nothing without Tom Brady as his quarterback, Roseman built a team that beat Brady in the Super Bowl with a backup quarterback.
Now Roseman has a chance to win two Super Bowls, five years apart, with a new head coach, coordinators, quarterbacks, skill-position players, linebackers and secondary.
Virtually everyone who visits Philadelphia for a sporting event pays homage to the Rocky statue in front of the Philadelphia Museum of Art.
Spoiler alert: Rocky was a fictional character. His victories were the product of scriptwriters.
In Philly these days, Roseman is the scriptwriter. His statue should stand next to Rocky's. And it should be bigger.
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I would put my money on the coaches winning that SB against Brady and Belicheck. IIRC they barely beat the Falcons in the first divisional round. But the coaches went all in and reinvented their offense in the bye week to fit Foles. Then against the Vikings, their unseen offensive scheme took flight. They ran double moves at WR and burned the defense keyed on stopping the short RPO game that was a staple with Foles after he took over for Wentz. Zimmer was a hell of a defensive mind, as is Belicheck. Both were outcoached by a team that unveiled a new offense in the playoffs.
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