Quote: @VikingOracle said:
Maybe it is my age, but reading things such as "Vikings will be a playoff team this year" and the team can be "pretty good" just doesn't do it for me anymore. Throw in "Super Bowl competitor" and you got me. I just don't think that can be applied to this team.
OK, they're a Super Bowl contender. Of course it can be applied to this team. Sure, we need a few things to happen, but so does every team. Every team needs key starters to stay healthy. Every team needs a handful of new additions to work out. But this notion that Super Bowl contenders are these powerhouses without weakness and league average players dotting their roster is just silly.
Bengals are 4-11-1. Burrough gets healthy and they add a receiver, Super Bowl. Tampa is 7-9. They add Brady, Super Bowl. Hunter gets healthy, add Z, a couple DBs and the five offensive linemen drafted in the 1st or 2nd round starts to gel, Super Bowl. It's actually more crazy to think they're not.
But then I've always believed that in the last 15 to 20 years, with the exception of maybe 8-12 teams, every team in the NFL is a contender.
Wilson is even a worse stat whore at this point in his career---EEEEW.
Fix our D-
Oline even mid average would be a vast improvement for getting Cousins some reasonable time to comp%
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
My post-draft miscellaneous thoughts:
- On the other hand, Wyatt Davis got no love. I would love for a reporter to ask Kwesi or KOC about what their prior organization thought about Mond, Davis, etc.
- Offensive Line: I recall reading a few years ago that the key for an above average Oline was continuity something the Vikings haven't had for years due to Spielman's use of re-treads. This is one reason I don't have a problem with Bradbury starting this year. I am looking forward to seeing how returning 4 out of 5 starters work out with new coaching. The fact is, you can't have 22 all pros starting -- you have to find ways to make average players or even below average players work out within a team concept. And that is why coaching and schemes are so important -- putting average (and below average) players in the position to play their best.
You can learn a lot by how the team addressed certain positions.
1. It seems the team believes Bradbury can improve given the right coaching and scheme.
2. They like KJO as WR3 and believe the depth behind ISJ is satisfactory.
3. They probably weren't as high on Bynum as maybe some fans were.
4. They like our DL starters and depth, but saw weakness at LB depth.
5. They have zero confidence is Wyatt Davis.
You’re wrong. Prior to this you felt that it was likely just a “conditioning” problem for Davis, so obviously he’ll be the starter this year. Lol
Quote: @AGRforever said:
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@ StickyBun said:
The Wilfs are patient. Are they too patient? I don't know.
The team has a .520 winning % under 17 years of Wilf, while their rivals in Green Bay are at .627. The Vikings won the division 4 times during that period, Green Bay won it 9 times. The Vikings own a 3-6 playoff record with 2 NFCC appearances during that time while Green Bay is 12-11 with 6 NFCC's and a SB title.
When your closest rival routinely outdoes you then I guess you have to be patient.
…….Ya think a HoF QB the entire time might have something to do with that?
Probably… maybe the Vikings should try to get one?
The draft is a crapshoot. Ok. Brady, Wilson, Watson (?) were all available in the past few years. Vikings sat on their hands unfortunately. Hopefully they’re right about Kirk.
Brady was available to where he wanted to go. Its not like there was a choice for teams in the matter.
Wilson hasn't done much in a decade. Whats to say he'll have it in Denver?
Watson LOL, the Browns can have the pervert who's record by the way is 2x as bad as Kirk's.
Kirk isn't perfect, but he can win a super bowl and he was available. Had the D not shit the bed the last two years in a row who knows where we would have ended up?
Fair, but there will always be reasons why it’s “not us”. My favorite season as a Vikings fan in the past 20 years is 2009. In large part because we had a HOF QB. I understand they aren’t growing on trees but finding one should be KAM’s goal every morning when he wakes up. In my opinion the Vikings have not shown nearly enough urgency in landing an elite QB. Maybe things will be different with the new regime.
Let hypothetically say Wilson was available to a NFC team. Would you really be willing to send 2x 1sts, 2x 2nds and 3 players to Seattle for a 33 year old QB that you'll also have to pay elite money for? Would you really make that trade?
Its one thing to pay your QB big money like we are Kirk.
Its a whole nother thing to give up all your premium draft capital in the process. Those slots need to produce starters on your team who are cheap so you can afford your QB. Unless Denver has found some honey hole of 3rd-7th round picks they're going to have a hard time fielding a competitive team.
Not sure if this is rhetorical but yes, 100x yes I would do that trade if I was the Vikings assuming the 3 players are middle guys and not stars.
Russ is a HOF QB. That’s a guy you go get, IMO. You may disagree.
Quote: @ArizonaViking said:
@ comet52 said:
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@ StickyBun said:
The Wilfs are patient. Are they too patient? I don't know.
The team has a .520 winning % under 17 years of Wilf, while their rivals in Green Bay are at .627. The Vikings won the division 4 times during that period, Green Bay won it 9 times. The Vikings own a 3-6 playoff record with 2 NFCC appearances during that time while Green Bay is 12-11 with 6 NFCC's and a SB title.
When your closest rival routinely outdoes you then I guess you have to be patient.
I mean, I hear you but its not like our 'closest rival' is a hot pile of dog shit. Aaron Rodgers is a 4 time NFL MVP. 6 NFCC games and they should have been to more. If you're going to compare the Vikings to the Green Bay Packers....if that's your measuring stick....you'll be dead, buried and tree fertilizer before the team could ever possibly catch up.
I don't know, who else should I compare them to? Owner has a Super Bowl "vision" according to Baseball Guy Andrew Miller who he hired to run the team. How are you achieving that vision? By saying gee we sure might as well not bother catching up to the team we have to beat to have a shot at a title?
This fanbase has grown a huge contingent of fans who will make any excuse for mediocrity and tell the rest of us to be content with it. Just sad.
We all want the same thing...a Super Bowl trophy. But some of us see the reality and right now the Vikings are not a good enough team to reach that goal. Maybe in a couple of years, but not right now...and no we don't except mediocrity.
Accept.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ comet52 said:
@ StickyBun said:
The Wilfs are patient. Are they too patient? I don't know.
The team has a .520 winning % under 17 years of Wilf, while their rivals in Green Bay are at .627. The Vikings won the division 4 times during that period, Green Bay won it 9 times. The Vikings own a 3-6 playoff record with 2 NFCC appearances during that time while Green Bay is 12-11 with 6 NFCC's and a SB title.
When your closest rival routinely outdoes you then I guess you have to be patient.
…….Ya think a HoF QB the entire time might have something to do with that?
You mean the guy we passed on twice to take Troy Williamson and Erasmus James? Yeah probably. But excuses don't cut any mustard with me. You buy the team and make constant noise about championships, what am I supposed to do listening to 17 years of that ...applaud the effort? Not impressed.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ comet52 said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ comet52 said:
@ StickyBun said:
The Wilfs are patient. Are they too patient? I don't know.
The team has a .520 winning % under 17 years of Wilf, while their rivals in Green Bay are at .627. The Vikings won the division 4 times during that period, Green Bay won it 9 times. The Vikings own a 3-6 playoff record with 2 NFCC appearances during that time while Green Bay is 12-11 with 6 NFCC's and a SB title.
When your closest rival routinely outdoes you then I guess you have to be patient.
I mean, I hear you but its not like our 'closest rival' is a hot pile of dog shit. Aaron Rodgers is a 4 time NFL MVP. 6 NFCC games and they should have been to more. If you're going to compare the Vikings to the Green Bay Packers....if that's your measuring stick....you'll be dead, buried and tree fertilizer before the team could ever possibly catch up.
I don't know, who else should I compare them to? Owner has a Super Bowl "vision" according to Baseball Guy Andrew Miller who he hired to run the team. How are you achieving that vision? By saying gee we sure might as well not bother catching up to the team we have to beat to have a shot at a title?
This fanbase has grown a huge contingent of fans who will make any excuse for mediocrity and tell the rest of us to be content with it. Just sad.
That isn't what I said. Listen, there's no doubt I won't be changing any minds on a message board. I sympathize with long time disgruntled fans and many times feel the same. But I also don't sit here with my resting bitch face, arms folded, yelling at a cloud because the team hasn't won a Super Bowl in May. I'm not telling you to do a damn thing. There'll be plenty of time to complain.
It's funny because if Wilf owned a team in his home market they'd barbecue his bullshit week in and week out. In Minnesota the story matters more than the results. Lucky guy.
As for complaining, yes I will. Win me a SB, I'll stfu. :p
There is a not a huge gap in premium talent between this team and the best in the NFC. It's about the quality of depth and drop off to your lowest guy. We saw that we have a enough premium depth to HANG in every game, be a in a position to win double digit games.
If they can increase the quality depth on this team, lower the drop offs on positions. Breeland and Bradbury were NFL terrible last year, get better production, not great but average to good, those tight games swing your way. This game comes down to inches, one or two plays a week when you have a enough premium talent to keep you around.
This is an 11+ win team and in the NFC, if we are at the level, we can win it all. LA, Tampa, GB. All 3 should see a decline this year due to age, roster changes, and star power lost. An easier schedule, a new coaching staff sprinkled with some proven vets that has wrinkles not yet seen.
I think this team wins week 1 and 2, new coaches tend to upset favorites especially at home in the beginning of the year (think Tomasula vs us in 2015 SF opener). A win vs a gelling and poor QB play Philly on the road. That would be a nice way to kick off a season and set it on a strong course.
Quote: @Skodin said:
There is a not a huge gap in premium talent between this team and the best in the NFC. It's about the quality of depth and drop off to your lowest guy. We saw that we have a enough premium depth to HANG in every game, be a in a position to win double digit games.
If they can increase the quality depth on this team, lower the drop offs on positions. Breeland and Bradbury were NFL terrible last year, get better production, not great but average to good, those tight games swing your way. This game comes down to inches, one or two plays a week when you have a enough premium talent to keep you around.
This is an 11+ win team and in the NFC, if we are at the level, we can win it all. LA, Tampa, GB. All 3 should see a decline this year due to age, roster changes, and star power lost. An easier schedule, a new coaching staff sprinkled with some proven vets that has wrinkles not yet seen.
I think this team wins week 1 and 2, new coaches tend to upset favorites especially at home in the beginning of the year (think Tomasula vs us in 2015 SF opener). A win vs a gelling and poor QB play Philly on the road. That would be a nice way to kick off a season and set it on a strong course.
I respectfully disagree.
We have a yuge talent gap in premium talent.
Who's our All-Pros?
O - Cook at RB. altho RB may be the least important O position to have an All-Pro.
- Jefferson at WR. Bona-fide.
- who else is All-Pro/All NFC?
D - Hunter- when healthy
- Kendricks
- Smith (aging, at a position of lesser importance)
- who else is All-Pro/All NFC?
We're not that good, fellas.
We've MISSED AT THE TOP OF THE DRAFT, FOR YEARS. (reflected, by our roster)
We missed at the top of the draft, again this year.
Quote: @Skodin said:
There is a not a huge gap in premium talent between this team and the best in the NFC. It's about the quality of depth and drop off to your lowest guy. We saw that we have a enough premium depth to HANG in every game, be a in a position to win double digit games.
If they can increase the quality depth on this team, lower the drop offs on positions. Breeland and Bradbury were NFL terrible last year, get better production, not great but average to good, those tight games swing your way. This game comes down to inches, one or two plays a week when you have a enough premium talent to keep you around.
This is an 11+ win team and in the NFC, if we are at the level, we can win it all. LA, Tampa, GB. All 3 should see a decline this year due to age, roster changes, and star power lost. An easier schedule, a new coaching staff sprinkled with some proven vets that has wrinkles not yet seen.
I think this team wins week 1 and 2, new coaches tend to upset favorites especially at home in the beginning of the year (think Tomasula vs us in 2015 SF opener). A win vs a gelling and poor QB play Philly on the road. That would be a nice way to kick off a season and set it on a strong course.
Agree. Best thing about that opener is that this is an entirely new offense, and an entirely new defense with a reputation for being confusing to opposing QBs. Nothing better than a confused Aaron Rodgers. You don't see it often, but when you do it's a beautiful thing.
This by itself should make a big difference, considering we've heard from source after source that everyone knew what we were doing last year.
Sure, all of this will be new to us as well and likely take some time to get on the same page, but I figure that's a wash.
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