Where is the President?

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@badgervike said:
I don't have any issue with attacking Afghanistan after 9/11nor should many.  We never should have got in the business of nation building...and that was Bush's (jr) fault in both Afghanistan and Iraq.  His dad stayed on mission and attacked and overpowered Iraq after building a coalition...and than going home when the original mission was complete.

We agree going after Al Queda and Taliban after 9.11 was the right thing to do. BUT, we should NEVER have sent our boys (and girls) on the ground to Afghanistan.

We didnt learn from Russia's experience there at all

Not just IRAQ, look @ Libya, Look @ Syria and the suffering there to this very day. 

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@purplefaithful said:

@badgervike said:
I don't have any issue with attacking Afghanistan after 9/11nor should many.  We never should have got in the business of nation building...and that was Bush's (jr) fault in both Afghanistan and Iraq.  His dad stayed on mission and attacked and overpowered Iraq after building a coalition...and than going home when the original mission was complete.

We agree going after Al Queda and Taliban after 9.11 was the right thing to do. BUT, we should NEVER have sent our boys (and girls) on the ground to Afghanistan.

We didnt learn from Russia's experience there at all

Not just IRAQ, look @ Libya, Look @ Syria and the suffering there to this very day. 

They had to go on the ground...it was the only way to defeat Al Qaeda...but we should have got out afterwards.  Sending a few cruise missiles into empty Al Qaeda training camps ala Clinton wasn't going to do it....it only served to embolden Bin Laden when Clinton did it.

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https://www.wptv.com/news/world/billions...ed-taliban

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/allies-round-...22595.html

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@StickyBun said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/allies-round-...22595.html

Merkel is worried about one thing and one thing only - refugees.

Legitimate concern too. 

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@badgervike said:

@StickyBun said:
https://theweek.com/afghanistan-war/1003...t-with-the

Again, I think most understood it was time to get out.  The Peace Agreement was a start to make that happen.  The Taliban had already broken some of their promises...and thus the delay in implementation.  I'm guessing the GOP took down the reference...because they wrote the beginning of the book of the peace agreement...but didn't write the end.  Biden's Generals pleaded for him to maintain a small military (2000) presence as a deterrent and to use air power to slow down the Taliban until we were long gone from the Country including removing and / or destroying weapons, intelligence and airlifting those that helped the US to fight the Taliban.  Biden did none of it.  This mess at the Consulate and the Kabul airport are all his making.  The US and all its assets should have been long gone before the Taliban made any advances.

Biden just cashed another check from China.  Transferred weapons tech into their hands.  Never let a good crisis go to waste.

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@badgervike said:
I don't have any issue with attacking Afghanistan after 9/11nor should many.  We never should have got in the business of nation building...and that was Bush's (jr) fault in both Afghanistan and Iraq.  His dad stayed on mission and attacked and overpowered Iraq after building a coalition...and than going home when the original mission was complete.

Yeah but how would the politicians get rich then?  Cheney, Bush, Pelosi, Biden, et all.

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@StickyBun said:
https://www.yahoo.com/news/allies-round-...22595.html

they are right, this will be a black eye on the US for a long time,  and should stand as a reminder as to why we cant be the worlds police, and big brother. 

i also agree completely that this last 20 years in our "war on terror' will only breed a new generation of easily radicalized orphans from this slaughter,  they will be brainwashed to think that their loss was caused by the US and not the fuckers that are slaughtering their families,  they will be the next bin ladens and suicide bombers.

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This is why we don't negotiate with terrorists.  Choosing the Taliban and excluding the current Afghan government government was about US NEWS POLITICAL WINS/CAMPAIGN TALKING POINTS

This is why we need to pay attention to history and stop believing America is above it.  Afghanistan was known as the fucking graveyard of empires but 'Murica doesn't care for a history lesson.

Any pull out of this country was going to be a mess no doubt, whether it was Biden or Trump.  The problem is the new head of Afghanistan was the head of the Taliban who our government supported 12 months ago, allowing the release of 5,000 Taliban fighters to essentially take over the country with weapons we gave the Afganis

It's a fucking joke, any country that is run by theology has been and will be.

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@JimmyinSD said:
why wasnt the UN involved regardless of who is president?  trump should have had them involved with the US exit as part of the agreement,  and Bidens admin should have known to get them involved prior to taking whatever actions he did.

U.N. Wanted nothing to do with it. Ever. We were warned. You break it you own it. How many empires have failed there? Sure someay have had a foothold for a generation or two but many empires have failed. We had no busoness being there beyond bombing al quaeda training camps. 

We tried to occupy and then we want the U.N. to clean up? Hell I am just amazed at the mere mention of involving the U.N. after how it has historically been talked about here.