This Cousins debate is getting so fucking old. No one is gonna change anyone elses mind. He will be QB next season...deal with it already.
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1 playoff win.
26th rated o-line, 29th rated defense.
and in 2018? Defense was 4th. OL was shit but it featured Kirks boy Tom Compton.
He’s a .500 QB who plays bad in big games. But sure, lets keep up the mediocrity in Minnesota because stats are nice.
Better yet, he only needs top 5 OL to go with the premier WR duo in the league, a top 3 RB, and damn good pair of TEs to get us past round 2 of the playoffs.
there are guys who have IT and those who dont, he doesnt
Yet, people are insisting that a kid who just went 4-12 has "it", but I blame that on hallucinogens in COVID vaccines.
I guess you missed his two seasons where he was 21-10 or his National championship game vs Alabama. yeah, I guess he didn't have "IT" there either. If Cousins played on that Houston team completely devoid of leadership, shipping out their best talent for a broken RB, 4-12 would have been a good season.
You are clown if you think that any GM would pick Cousins over Watson to start a team today, yesterday or two years ago
Maybe you are both right. As Skodin said, any GM would pick Watson "to start a team today".
That is probably true - for a new team or a significant rebuild. If the Vikings brought in Watson, they would need to dramatically change what they emphasize in their offense and maybe even the weapons or blockers for him.
But they are not starting a team. Cousins fits what this team management wants. Does anyone think Zimmer would be comfortable watching a running QB racing out of the pocket? He fears fumbles all the time, Keenum's scrambles drove him crazy.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
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@ Skodin said:
1 playoff win.
26th rated o-line, 29th rated defense.
and in 2018? Defense was 4th. OL was shit but it featured Kirks boy Tom Compton.
He’s a .500 QB who plays bad in big games. But sure, lets keep up the mediocrity in Minnesota because stats are nice.
Better yet, he only needs top 5 OL to go with the premier WR duo in the league, a top 3 RB, and damn good pair of TEs to get us past round 2 of the playoffs.
there are guys who have IT and those who dont, he doesnt
Yet, people are insisting that a kid who just went 4-12 has "it", but I blame that on hallucinogens in COVID vaccines.
I guess you missed his two seasons where he was 21-10 or his National championship game vs Alabama. yeah, I guess he didn't have "IT" there either. If Cousins played on that Houston team completely devoid of leadership, shipping out their best talent for a broken RB, 4-12 would have been a good season.
You are clown if you think that any GM would pick Cousins over Watson to start a team today, yesterday or two years ago
Maybe you are both right. As Skodin said, any GM would pick Watson "to start a team today".
That is probably true - for a new team or a significant rebuild. If the Vikings brought in Watson, they would need to dramatically change what they emphasize in their offense and maybe even the weapons or blockers for him.
But they are not starting a team. Cousins fits what this team management wants. Does anyone think Zimmer would be comfortable watching a running QB racing out of the pocket? He fears fumbles all the time, Keenum's scrambles drove him crazy.
Keenum’s scrambles weren’t the issue, it was Case chucking
the ball up off-axis into low percentage situations, where bad things are more
likely than good things. That’s a recipe
for becoming Fitzmagic or Jamis Winston, where the some days look like magic
and some days look a disaster.
Quote: @medaille said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Skodin said:
@ Zanary said:
@ Skodin said:
1 playoff win.
26th rated o-line, 29th rated defense.
and in 2018? Defense was 4th. OL was shit but it featured Kirks boy Tom Compton.
He’s a .500 QB who plays bad in big games. But sure, lets keep up the mediocrity in Minnesota because stats are nice.
Better yet, he only needs top 5 OL to go with the premier WR duo in the league, a top 3 RB, and damn good pair of TEs to get us past round 2 of the playoffs.
there are guys who have IT and those who dont, he doesnt
Yet, people are insisting that a kid who just went 4-12 has "it", but I blame that on hallucinogens in COVID vaccines.
I guess you missed his two seasons where he was 21-10 or his National championship game vs Alabama. yeah, I guess he didn't have "IT" there either. If Cousins played on that Houston team completely devoid of leadership, shipping out their best talent for a broken RB, 4-12 would have been a good season.
You are clown if you think that any GM would pick Cousins over Watson to start a team today, yesterday or two years ago
Maybe you are both right. As Skodin said, any GM would pick Watson "to start a team today".
That is probably true - for a new team or a significant rebuild. If the Vikings brought in Watson, they would need to dramatically change what they emphasize in their offense and maybe even the weapons or blockers for him.
But they are not starting a team. Cousins fits what this team management wants. Does anyone think Zimmer would be comfortable watching a running QB racing out of the pocket? He fears fumbles all the time, Keenum's scrambles drove him crazy.
Keenum’s scrambles weren’t the issue, it was Case chucking
the ball up off-axis into low percentage situations, where bad things are more
likely than good things. That’s a recipe
for becoming Fitzmagic or Jamis Winston, where the some days look like magic
and some days look a disaster.
"where the some days look like magic
and some days look a disaster." Aren't we already in this traumatic QB relationship?
Case was great out of the pocket, it was the occasional lucky pass that scared Zim. The "horse shoe". In this day and age outside of Brady or Brees, you need a mobile QB. The OLs aren't good enough, the D's are too exotic and too athletic. You can't bank on bringing in 5 guys who are going to play great, year over year. Foles, Goff, Jimmy, last 3 super bowl QBs who had great OLs, now all 3, in the garbage heap or traded/to be traded. They degraded, but so did their OL play.
You need a QB who can break the play open by using his legs, this is what usually keeps bad teams from beating good teams, in those key play moments. We do not have that with Cousins, so you need a great OL. How are we going to build a great OL and great defense with great weapons just to support a QB like this? We won't. It's a trap
Quote: @Skodin said:
"where the some days look like magic
and some days look a disaster." Aren't we already in this traumatic QB relationship?
Case was great out of the pocket, it was the occasional lucky pass that scared Zim. The "horse shoe". In this day and age outside of Brady or Brees, you need a mobile QB. The OLs aren't good enough, the D's are too exotic and too athletic. You can't bank on bringing in 5 guys who are going to play great, year over year. Foles, Goff, Jimmy, last 3 super bowl QBs who had great OLs, now all 3, in the garbage heap or traded/to be traded. They degraded, but so did their OL play.
You need a QB who can break the play open by using his legs, this is what usually keeps bad teams from beating good teams, in those key play moments. We do not have that with Cousins, so you need a great OL. How are we going to build a great OL and great defense with great weapons just to support a QB like this? We won't. It's a trap
Meh...I've been hearing that forever, and yet some traditional passers have racked up most of the championships while Mahomes, etc, have been outliers. If those skills were the cheat code of modern QBing, Wilson would have more than one ring (none since the Legion of Boom dismantled, did you notice?), Brady would have less, both Mannings would have less, and Vick would have been known more for bling than being a sub-human filth pile that liked to torture/kill dogs.
The simple truth is, the O-line is rated near the bottom because of bad play, yet the offense still managed to be top-5. At least one article over the last few days points out that with a clean pocket, Cousins is top-3 (2nd, IIRC) and that if he had even average line play, he'd be lethal.
Asking for average performance in QB protection isn't unreasonable, and dismissing what he's proven he can do is just determined ignorance. When the analysts and the numbers all agree that there's a glaring issue with the line, why not fix it...and improve on an offense that actually performed very well?
The annual EA/Madden fap-a-thons over plugging in new people never look any brighter.
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