What to do with Cousins

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@Zanary said:
Folks, our conservative-as-f**k head coach, our line, and our patchwork defense are far bigger obstacles than Cousins is.

I agree these are all obstacles the Vikings have. But teams with conservative head coaches, or bad OL's, or patchwork defenses, win Super Bowls more often than teams without elite QBs.

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@pattersaur said:

@Zanary said:
Folks, our conservative-as-f**k head coach, our line, and our patchwork defense are far bigger obstacles than Cousins is.

I agree these are all obstacles the Vikings have. But teams with conservative head coaches, or bad OL's, or patchwork defenses, win Super Bowls more often than teams without elite QBs.


And when Zimmer  HC did go non-conservative  and ran a zone blitz Ogendeigho got matched up against a RB- for 41 yard TD- ...

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I'm actually thinking that Cousins could improve, if given the sort of "build around" philosophy that have worked for the elite NFL QBs...and I think it could be the kind of personality situation that could provide some of the "lift" we want.

I really don't know that Rodgers provides that, he enjoys more pocket time than most QBs and has a long-standing hand in the offense.  That pays dividends, many of which I think get overlooked.

I'm not saying to NOT take a great young QB if one falls to us...I'm just saying, I think we are kind of conditioned to look at "next" after so many years of disappointment.  If our offensive skill player core can continue to develop together, we may not be wishing for much in that department.

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I think I just changed my mind about Cousins and drafting a QB this spring. I think we might be better off sticking with him through his current contract-- and I say that both from a cap perspective and an Xs and O's perspective. I just don't know how you move on a QB who can play this well, which he does more often than not... and then roll the dice on a rookie that may or may not even be able to play in the NFL. Sure, if we had a chance at one of the top two or three QBs, I might think differently, but I just don't see how that's possible.

If we don't deal our picks to move up and draft a QB, we will have a ton of picks to fortify this roster. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind again. 

 

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@MaroonBells said:
I think I just changed my mind about Cousins and drafting a QB this spring. I think we might be better off sticking with him through his current contract-- and I say that both from a cap perspective and an Xs and O's perspective. I just don't know how you move on a QB who can play this well, which he does more often than not... and then roll the dice on a rookie that may or may not even be able to play in the NFL. Sure, if we had a chance at one of the top two or three QBs, I might think differently, but I just don't see how that's possible.

If we don't deal our picks to move up and draft a QB, we will have a ton of picks to fortify this roster. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind again.
 

Lol, I'm the same way and agree.  KC is only as good as his last game... same goes for Zimmer's coaching. B)

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@MaroonBells said:
I think I just changed my mind about Cousins and drafting a QB this spring. I think we might be better off sticking with him through his current contract-- and I say that both from a cap perspective and an Xs and O's perspective. I just don't know how you move on a QB who can play this well, which he does more often than not... and then roll the dice on a rookie that may or may not even be able to play in the NFL. Sure, if we had a chance at one of the top two or three QBs, I might think differently, but I just don't see how that's possible.

If we don't deal our picks to move up and draft a QB, we will have a ton of picks to fortify this roster. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind again. 

 

If we do have a chance to get a top 3 QB I still think we should as you indicate.  But it also depends on our draft position and if we have the ability to move up?  If we are in the 12-14 range and need to move up to 8 or so and draft Wilson (favorite for now but also reserve) then I am in.  Not sure when we will have a chance at a Top 3 QB again.  We always seem to be just good enough to be in the early 20 range and not really in position to make that kinda move.  

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To me, it's just not financially feasible to move on from Cousins until 2022. Build an ol around him so we can maximize the weapons we have. D should be better with the return of Hunter and Pierce plus the maturation of the secondary.

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@"BarrNone55" said:
To me, it's just not financially feasible to move on from Cousins until 2022. Build an ol around him so we can maximize the weapons we have. D should be better with the return of Hunter and Pierce plus the maturation of the secondary.

I've come begrudgingly to that fact also because of the contract. Its just too massive a hit to do anything else and there's zero way he's going to get traded.

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@MaroonBells said:
I think I just changed my mind about Cousins and drafting a QB this spring. I think we might be better off sticking with him through his current contract-- and I say that both from a cap perspective and an Xs and O's perspective. I just don't know how you move on a QB who can play this well, which he does more often than not... and then roll the dice on a rookie that may or may not even be able to play in the NFL. Sure, if we had a chance at one of the top two or three QBs, I might think differently, but I just don't see how that's possible.

If we don't deal our picks to move up and draft a QB, we will have a ton of picks to fortify this roster. Of course, I reserve the right to change my mind again. 

 

thats the problem with Cousins,  he will likely give you a reason 3 more times this season to change your position.   his performance range is maddening.

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Teams almost never take this kind of gamble....where the potential for egg on face is too great in a scenario where we release or trade him, he goes on to play exactly like he's always played (sometimes bad, but sometimes great)...and we're stuck with a QB that might be Burrow or Herbert, but might also be Trubisky, Winston or Mariota...or Rosen, Bortles or Manuel...or RGIII or Ponder, Locker, Gabbert. Even QBs who've looked good, like Burrow and Herbert--well, it wasn't long ago that Wentz and Goff looked like the next big thing...and now they don't. 

If you look at the odds, they're just not super great.