So, our QB position....

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honestly the only talks I have heard so far make the least amount of sense and that was the talk of extending Cook.  other than that its been pretty silent.

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IF the medicals are good? I'd luv to see em make a move for Tua. But that's a lot of draft capital and suddenly there are holes all over the roster. 

Can they win a SB with Cousins? I think so. Its amazing the short memory of Viking fans. Cousins has his warts, but he's by far the best qb we've had since Favre. 

I think the sequence has to be what are your intentions with Zimm/RS? Everything cascades from there. 

Big decisions and suddenly, I'm being forced to trust the Wilfs with one of my favorite franchises...Paint me the color nervous, very nervous

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@JimmyinSD said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Our HC and GM aren't under contract beyond this year. They will be drafting for players who can help them win in 2020. Cousins was their all in move. All 3 are tied together. At minimum they need a Super Bowl appearance or they are all gone.

This is why I've been confused as to how the Vikings are handling Zimmer & Spielman's contracts. The best course of action would be for the Wilfs to extend both and help them make an objective decision on Kirk. They're all tied together but if the Wilfs truly believe in the current staff they should allow them a shot to add another QB, as bitter as many fans would be about that. But you can't help but think they'll want to extend Kirk for the near-term benefits of added cap space in 2020 if pressing to keep their jobs. The reality is a new FO likely will want a their own QB (which could be Kirk) so you've effectively tied them to Cousins as well.

maybe they arent all in on Zim and Rick?   perhaps this is there way of lighting a fire under their asses to see if they can find a way out of this rut they seem to be stuck in?   kirks team may have been approached and maybe the team doesnt like the responses they are getting?  I know its only 2 days after the superbowl,  but I honestly thought that we would have some sort of offseason news or rumors by now about what they intend to do with the team going forward.

Its obvious they're not considering they only extended (picked up option) Zimmer for a single season after last season to align his contract with Spielman. I guess my bigger point is that although its nice all three contracts are aligned it doesn't really make that much sense. It made/makes more sense to let a fresh set of eyes analyze a situation to identify how to proceed forward. So if you aren't 100% committed at this point you're better off moving on now vs. later. Alternatively if they are on-board with the current staff they should extend them for multiple season vs. a one-year band aid. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Our HC and GM aren't under contract beyond this year. They will be drafting for players who can help them win in 2020. Cousins was their all in move. All 3 are tied together. At minimum they need a Super Bowl appearance or they are all gone.

This is why I've been confused as to how the Vikings are handling Zimmer & Spielman's contracts. The best course of action would be for the Wilfs to extend both and help them make an objective decision on Kirk. They're all tied together but if the Wilfs truly believe in the current staff they should allow them a shot to add another QB, as bitter as many fans would be about that. But you can't help but think they'll want to extend Kirk for the near-term benefits of added cap space in 2020 if pressing to keep their jobs. The reality is a new FO likely will want a their own QB (which could be Kirk) so you've effectively tied them to Cousins as well.

maybe they arent all in on Zim and Rick?   perhaps this is there way of lighting a fire under their asses to see if they can find a way out of this rut they seem to be stuck in?   kirks team may have been approached and maybe the team doesnt like the responses they are getting?  I know its only 2 days after the superbowl,  but I honestly thought that we would have some sort of offseason news or rumors by now about what they intend to do with the team going forward.

Its obvious they're not considering they only extended (picked up option) Zimmer for a single season after last season to align his contract with Spielman. I guess my bigger point is that although its nice all three contracts are aligned it doesn't really make that much sense. It made/makes more sense to let a fresh set of eyes analyze a situation to identify how to proceed forward. So if you aren't 100% committed at this point you're better off moving on now vs. later. Alternatively if they are on-board with the current staff they should extend them for multiple season vs. a one-year band aid. 

This is where the Wilfs have to show some mettle as owners.  They should make the decision.  I would.

Even if I am going to let Spielman and Zimmer stay through 2020, I would demand that we move up for a QB if I did not want to extend Cousins.

The last thing they should do is extend Cousins, get similar results and fire the entire staff, and bring in a new coach who wants a different QB.

I am hoping they are consulting with someone on the outside.

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@MarkSP18 said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Our HC and GM aren't under contract beyond this year. They will be drafting for players who can help them win in 2020. Cousins was their all in move. All 3 are tied together. At minimum they need a Super Bowl appearance or they are all gone.

This is why I've been confused as to how the Vikings are handling Zimmer & Spielman's contracts. The best course of action would be for the Wilfs to extend both and help them make an objective decision on Kirk. They're all tied together but if the Wilfs truly believe in the current staff they should allow them a shot to add another QB, as bitter as many fans would be about that. But you can't help but think they'll want to extend Kirk for the near-term benefits of added cap space in 2020 if pressing to keep their jobs. The reality is a new FO likely will want a their own QB (which could be Kirk) so you've effectively tied them to Cousins as well.

maybe they arent all in on Zim and Rick?   perhaps this is there way of lighting a fire under their asses to see if they can find a way out of this rut they seem to be stuck in?   kirks team may have been approached and maybe the team doesnt like the responses they are getting?  I know its only 2 days after the superbowl,  but I honestly thought that we would have some sort of offseason news or rumors by now about what they intend to do with the team going forward.

Its obvious they're not considering they only extended (picked up option) Zimmer for a single season after last season to align his contract with Spielman. I guess my bigger point is that although its nice all three contracts are aligned it doesn't really make that much sense. It made/makes more sense to let a fresh set of eyes analyze a situation to identify how to proceed forward. So if you aren't 100% committed at this point you're better off moving on now vs. later. Alternatively if they are on-board with the current staff they should extend them for multiple season vs. a one-year band aid. 

This is where the Wilfs have to show some mettle as owners.  They should make the decision.  I would.

Even if I am going to let Spielman and Zimmer stay through 2020, I would demand that we move up for a QB if I did not want to extend Cousins.

The last thing they should do is extend Cousins, get similar results and fire the entire staff, and bring in a new coach who wants a different QB.

I am hoping they are consulting with someone on the outside.

This is how it will play out most likely.

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@purplefaithful said:
IF the medicals are good? I'd luv to see em make a move for Tua. But that's a lot of draft capital and suddenly there are holes all over the roster. 

Can they win a SB with Cousins? I think so. Its amazing the short memory of Viking fans. Cousins has his warts, but he's by far the best qb we've had since Favre. 

I think the sequence has to be what are your intentions with Zimm/RS? Everything cascades from there. 

Big decisions and suddenly, I'm being forced to trust the Wilfs with one of my favorite franchises...Paint me the color nervous, very nervous

Yeah the Wilfs. 6 playoffs in 15 years isn't a great stretch. 

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@kmillard said:

@purplefaithful said:
IF the medicals are good? I'd luv to see em make a move for Tua. But that's a lot of draft capital and suddenly there are holes all over the roster. 

Can they win a SB with Cousins? I think so. Its amazing the short memory of Viking fans. Cousins has his warts, but he's by far the best qb we've had since Favre. 

I think the sequence has to be what are your intentions with Zimm/RS? Everything cascades from there. 

Big decisions and suddenly, I'm being forced to trust the Wilfs with one of my favorite franchises...Paint me the color nervous, very nervous

Yeah the Wilfs. 6 playoffs in 15 years isn't a great stretch. 

Chili was an awful decision imo. But they haven't gotten the QB right for too long either.  Is that the Wilfs mea culpa or the front office? Both?

Did they get it right enough with KC? 

In many ways the Wilfs have been exemplary owners. The infrastructure of the franchise has never been better. They've given Zimmer pretty much all he could ask for.

Mike hasn't been able to get over the hump, like too many Viking coaches before him. 

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@purplefaithful said:

@kmillard said:

@purplefaithful said:
IF the medicals are good? I'd luv to see em make a move for Tua. But that's a lot of draft capital and suddenly there are holes all over the roster. 

Can they win a SB with Cousins? I think so. Its amazing the short memory of Viking fans. Cousins has his warts, but he's by far the best qb we've had since Favre. 

I think the sequence has to be what are your intentions with Zimm/RS? Everything cascades from there. 

Big decisions and suddenly, I'm being forced to trust the Wilfs with one of my favorite franchises...Paint me the color nervous, very nervous

Yeah the Wilfs. 6 playoffs in 15 years isn't a great stretch. 

Chili was an awful decision imo. But they haven't gotten the QB right for too long either.  Is that the Wilfs mea culpa or the front office? Both?

Did they get it right enough with KC? 

In many ways the Wilfs have been exemplary owners. The infrastructure of the franchise has never been better. They've given Zimmer pretty much all he could ask for.

Mike hasn't been able to get over the hump, like too many Viking coaches before him. 

I agree the Wilfs have done everything in their power to get the team over the hump. I also think they've done a good job letting their front office dictate the direction the organization takes rather than taking their own approach. Minus maybe trading for Bradford where they wanted the FO to add a starting caliber QB. 

I also wouldn't necessarily blame it on the FO's ability to acquire high-end talent. You could argue they may retain some player on long-term deals where they didn't need to, but that hasn't led to many long-term issue to date. The coaching staff has also done an exceptional job coaching up guys. 

Basically my take is that the Vikings are just too conservative and their roster construction isn't 100% conducive to the modern NFL. You can win with a roster like the Vikings but you need to be very very good in the trenches, which we aren't. 

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@"Geoff Nichols" said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
Our HC and GM aren't under contract beyond this year. They will be drafting for players who can help them win in 2020. Cousins was their all in move. All 3 are tied together. At minimum they need a Super Bowl appearance or they are all gone.

This is why I've been confused as to how the Vikings are handling Zimmer & Spielman's contracts. The best course of action would be for the Wilfs to extend both and help them make an objective decision on Kirk. They're all tied together but if the Wilfs truly believe in the current staff they should allow them a shot to add another QB, as bitter as many fans would be about that. But you can't help but think they'll want to extend Kirk for the near-term benefits of added cap space in 2020 if pressing to keep their jobs. The reality is a new FO likely will want a their own QB (which could be Kirk) so you've effectively tied them to Cousins as well.

maybe they arent all in on Zim and Rick?   perhaps this is there way of lighting a fire under their asses to see if they can find a way out of this rut they seem to be stuck in?   kirks team may have been approached and maybe the team doesnt like the responses they are getting?  I know its only 2 days after the superbowl,  but I honestly thought that we would have some sort of offseason news or rumors by now about what they intend to do with the team going forward.

Its obvious they're not considering they only extended (picked up option) Zimmer for a single season after last season to align his contract with Spielman. I guess my bigger point is that although its nice all three contracts are aligned it doesn't really make that much sense. It made/makes more sense to let a fresh set of eyes analyze a situation to identify how to proceed forward. So if you aren't 100% committed at this point you're better off moving on now vs. later. Alternatively if they are on-board with the current staff they should extend them for multiple season vs. a one-year band aid. 

I agree,   thats why I said they needed to address this in November.  If Rick isnt the problem they should have went to him and gave him a couple year extension and told him to find a new coach,  if Zimmer isnt the problem they should have canned Rick and got ahead of the curve on finding his replacement so that GM would have time to work with Zimmer and decide what and where to start his fix for the franchise with.   I dont understand their approach right now,  but I dont think doubling down on a  mistake is a good way to handle it going forward.  without knowing Kirks demands or flexibility we are all really talking out of school,  but i certainly wouldnt lock the team in to him unless I was confident that the people strapped with him were on board and that I was good with those people,  which by all indications the Wilfs arent.  Right now IMO its the Wilfs that are looking the fool for the way this is playing out.

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@"Geoff Nichols" said:

I agree the Wilfs have done everything in their power to get the team over the hump. I also think they've done a good job letting their front office dictate the direction the organization takes rather than taking their own approach. Minus maybe trading for Bradford where they wanted the FO to add a starting caliber QB. 

I also wouldn't necessarily blame it on the FO's ability to acquire high-end talent. You could argue they may retain some player on long-term deals where they didn't need to, but that hasn't led to many long-term issue to date. The coaching staff has also done an exceptional job coaching up guys. 

Basically my take is that the Vikings are just too conservative and their roster construction isn't 100% conducive to the modern NFL. You can win with a roster like the Vikings but you need to be very very good in the trenches, which we aren't. 

^^^This seven days a week and twice on Sundays.^^^
If teams can make those 9 positions rock solid, the need to overpay shutdown corners and overpay running backs can be mitigated.  As much change that the game has gone through in 100 years, solid trench work is still the key, wildcat QB's be hanged.

Now, GET OFF MY LAWN, you punk kids!