Quote: @"BarrNone55" said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
194 mass shootings in 130 days this year: let’s make it easier to buy guns
16 alleged cases of voter fraud out of 160 million votes in 2020: let’s make it harder to vote
The GQP
Just so we’re clear, something as important as picking our leaders should be done without ID but something Constitutionally protected should have all sorts of ID requirements and fierce background checks?
one is a problem, one isn’t. one needs a solution and the other doesn’t. thats the point.
So says you. You cant possibly know how much voter fraud exists without actually ID’ing people. Otherwise we literally take the persons word for who they are. Imagine if bars took teenagers word.
You need an ID to do everything of any importance in the world. Assuming POC cant get one is the most irrational BS argument the left has going these days.
Will you be ok when facial recognition software inevitablely gets used to ID people?
facial recognician is already part of your driver license. There is only proof of election integrity, not one bit of proof of any organized fraud. their is a whole lot of proof on mass shootings though.
Barr pointed out there is voter fraud. You even thumbs upped him. So there is voter fraud happening. Some of us believe its the tip of the iceberg while you believe its a non issue. I dont believe it was enough to tip the 2020 presidential election but there were some very slim margins in down ballots.
Yeah. 16 out of 160,000,000. Pretty sure it didn't make a difference.
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
194 mass shootings in 130 days this year: let’s make it easier to buy guns
16 alleged cases of voter fraud out of 160 million votes in 2020: let’s make it harder to vote
The GQP
Just so we’re clear, something as important as picking our leaders should be done without ID but something Constitutionally protected should have all sorts of ID requirements and fierce background checks?
one is a problem, one isn’t. one needs a solution and the other doesn’t. thats the point.
So says you. You cant possibly know how much voter fraud exists without actually ID’ing people. Otherwise we literally take the persons word for who they are. Imagine if bars took teenagers word.
You need an ID to do everything of any importance in the world. Assuming POC cant get one is the most irrational BS argument the left has going these days.
Will you be ok when facial recognition software inevitablely gets used to ID people?
facial recognician is already part of your driver license. There is only proof of election integrity, not one bit of proof of any organized fraud. their is a whole lot of proof on mass shootings though.
Barr pointed out there is voter fraud. You even thumbs upped him. So there is voter fraud happening. Some of us believe its the tip of the iceberg while you believe its a non issue. I dont believe it was enough to tip the 2020 presidential election but there were some very slim margins in down ballots.
Yeah. 16 out of 160,000,000. Pretty sure it didn't make a difference.
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
Priorities, there are a lot of more pressing issues. Perception that it’s just a diversion to distract the simple and keep the butt hurt, victims. If it’s voting ligitimacy why the f*ck are you not setting your hair on fire over gerrmandering?
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
194 mass shootings in 130 days this year: let’s make it easier to buy guns
16 alleged cases of voter fraud out of 160 million votes in 2020: let’s make it harder to vote
The GQP
Just so we’re clear, something as important as picking our leaders should be done without ID but something Constitutionally protected should have all sorts of ID requirements and fierce background checks?
one is a problem, one isn’t. one needs a solution and the other doesn’t. thats the point.
So says you. You cant possibly know how much voter fraud exists without actually ID’ing people. Otherwise we literally take the persons word for who they are. Imagine if bars took teenagers word.
You need an ID to do everything of any importance in the world. Assuming POC cant get one is the most irrational BS argument the left has going these days.
Will you be ok when facial recognition software inevitablely gets used to ID people?
facial recognician is already part of your driver license. There is only proof of election integrity, not one bit of proof of any organized fraud. their is a whole lot of proof on mass shootings though.
Barr pointed out there is voter fraud. You even thumbs upped him. So there is voter fraud happening. Some of us believe its the tip of the iceberg while you believe its a non issue. I dont believe it was enough to tip the 2020 presidential election but there were some very slim margins in down ballots.
Yeah. 16 out of 160,000,000. Pretty sure it didn't make a difference.
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
And therein lies your biggest problem: the common assumption conservatives make that everyone is, or at least should be, like them.
They should be white, employed, a driver, rural or suburban and they can't figure out why someone would not have, for example, a drivers license. That's just one form of ID but it's by far the most common.
Well not everyone is like that. Young, old, poor, minorities, urban dwellers who take transit don't always have drivers licenses. Other forms of ID perhaps, but not necessarily.
In an effective Democracy you want as many people to vote as possible. By enacting voter ID laws, millions of Americans would be unable to vote. And let's be honest. Everyone knows what this is about. It's obviously not about reducing the 16 of 16M fraud cases. We all know the vast majority of the voters it would disenfranchise are voters who vote democratic.
With that mind, let's hear your argument for it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
194 mass shootings in 130 days this year: let’s make it easier to buy guns
16 alleged cases of voter fraud out of 160 million votes in 2020: let’s make it harder to vote
The GQP
Just so we’re clear, something as important as picking our leaders should be done without ID but something Constitutionally protected should have all sorts of ID requirements and fierce background checks?
one is a problem, one isn’t. one needs a solution and the other doesn’t. thats the point.
So says you. You cant possibly know how much voter fraud exists without actually ID’ing people. Otherwise we literally take the persons word for who they are. Imagine if bars took teenagers word.
You need an ID to do everything of any importance in the world. Assuming POC cant get one is the most irrational BS argument the left has going these days.
Will you be ok when facial recognition software inevitablely gets used to ID people?
facial recognician is already part of your driver license. There is only proof of election integrity, not one bit of proof of any organized fraud. their is a whole lot of proof on mass shootings though.
Barr pointed out there is voter fraud. You even thumbs upped him. So there is voter fraud happening. Some of us believe its the tip of the iceberg while you believe its a non issue. I dont believe it was enough to tip the 2020 presidential election but there were some very slim margins in down ballots.
Yeah. 16 out of 160,000,000. Pretty sure it didn't make a difference.
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
And therein lies your biggest problem: the common assumption conservatives make that everyone is, or at least should be, like them.
They should be white, employed, a driver, rural or suburban and they can't figure out why someone would not have, for example, a drivers license. That's just one form of ID but it's by far the most common.
Well not everyone is like that. Young, old, poor, minorities, urban dwellers who take transit don't always have drivers licenses. Other forms of ID perhaps, but not necessarily.
In an effective Democracy you want as many people to vote as possible. By enacting voter ID laws, millions of Americans would be unable to vote. And let's be honest. Everyone knows what this is about. It's obviously not about reducing the 16 of 16M fraud cases. We all know the vast majority of the voters it would disenfranchise are voters who vote democratic.
With that mind, let's hear your argument for it.
Who are all these people that legally have the right to vote but yet dont have easy access to some form of picture ID? How do these people do all the other things in this country that require a picture ID?
I asked a simple question and you failed to answer it. Why try and make it about me, apparently you can't just answer the question?
I will answer yours, there are laws saying who can' and can't vote, just as there are laws saying other things, many of which require a visual id, this isn't like asking people to take an IQ test or some way of paring down who votes, its about ensuring that people trying to vote are legally able to do so. If the cases of fraud are so minimal why are you so scared of voter id requirements? Maybe its because if IDs were required it would expose many many more cases of fraud?
Why ??????
Texas Permitless Carry Bill On Way To Gov. Greg Abbott’s Desk – CBS Dallas / Fort Worth (cbslocal.com)
AUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM/AP) – Texas is poised to remove one of its last gun restrictions after lawmakers approved allowing people to carry handguns without a license, and the background check and training that go with it.
The Texas Senate approved the measure on Monday, May 24 (after the Texas House passed its version on Sunday), sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott, who has said he will sign it despite the objections of law enforcement groups who say it would endanger the public and police.
Gun control groups also oppose the measure, noting the state’s recent history of mass shootings, including those at an El Paso Walmart, a church in Sutherland Springs, and a high school outside Houston, though each of those attacks, the assailants primarily used assault-style rifles, not handguns.
Texas currently has more than 1.6 million handgun license holders.
Supporters of the bill say it would allow Texans to better defend themselves in public while abolishing unnecessary impediments to the constitutional right to bear arms.
Once signed into law, Texas will join nearly two dozen other states that allow some form of unregulated carry of a handgun.
Texas already allows rifles to be carried in public without a license.
The measure sent to Abbott would allow anyone age 21 or older to carry a handgun as long as they don’t have violent crime convictions or some other legal prohibition in their background.
But there would be no way to weed them out without the state background check currently in the licensing process.
The bill would not prevent businesses from banning guns on their property, and federal background checks for some gun purchases would remain in place.
Texas has no state restrictions on private gun sales.
Texas has allowed people to carry handguns since 1995, and has been reducing the cost and training requirements for getting a license for the last decade.
Quote: @Nichelle said:
Why ??????
This type of $hit is happening more and more often. You get into a state where their politics are slanted either blue or red. In this instance its red. So some district rep introduces a bill popular with the hard right. Even the moderate rights and/or senseible ones are “required” to vote for it because if they dont theyll get primaried next election by someone even more extreme. Rinse and repeat.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
194 mass shootings in 130 days this year: let’s make it easier to buy guns
16 alleged cases of voter fraud out of 160 million votes in 2020: let’s make it harder to vote
The GQP
Just so we’re clear, something as important as picking our leaders should be done without ID but something Constitutionally protected should have all sorts of ID requirements and fierce background checks?
one is a problem, one isn’t. one needs a solution and the other doesn’t. thats the point.
So says you. You cant possibly know how much voter fraud exists without actually ID’ing people. Otherwise we literally take the persons word for who they are. Imagine if bars took teenagers word.
You need an ID to do everything of any importance in the world. Assuming POC cant get one is the most irrational BS argument the left has going these days.
Will you be ok when facial recognition software inevitablely gets used to ID people?
facial recognician is already part of your driver license. There is only proof of election integrity, not one bit of proof of any organized fraud. their is a whole lot of proof on mass shootings though.
Barr pointed out there is voter fraud. You even thumbs upped him. So there is voter fraud happening. Some of us believe its the tip of the iceberg while you believe its a non issue. I dont believe it was enough to tip the 2020 presidential election but there were some very slim margins in down ballots.
Yeah. 16 out of 160,000,000. Pretty sure it didn't make a difference.
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
And therein lies your biggest problem: the common assumption conservatives make that everyone is, or at least should be, like them.
They should be white, employed, a driver, rural or suburban and they can't figure out why someone would not have, for example, a drivers license. That's just one form of ID but it's by far the most common.
Well not everyone is like that. Young, old, poor, minorities, urban dwellers who take transit don't always have drivers licenses. Other forms of ID perhaps, but not necessarily.
In an effective Democracy you want as many people to vote as possible. By enacting voter ID laws, millions of Americans would be unable to vote. And let's be honest. Everyone knows what this is about. It's obviously not about reducing the 16 of 16M fraud cases. We all know the vast majority of the voters it would disenfranchise are voters who vote democratic.
With that mind, let's hear your argument for it.
Who are all these people that legally have the right to vote but yet dont have easy access to some form of picture ID? How do these people do all the other things in this country that require a picture ID?
I asked a simple question and you failed to answer it. Why try and make it about me, apparently you can't just answer the question?
I will answer yours, there are laws saying who can' and can't vote, just as there are laws saying other things, many of which require a visual id, this isn't like asking people to take an IQ test or some way of paring down who votes, its about ensuring that people trying to vote are legally able to do so. If the cases of fraud are so minimal why are you so scared of voter id requirements? Maybe its because if IDs were required it would expose many many more cases of fraud?
Your lack of knowledge about the way the world is outside of South Dakotas borders is astonishing.
It's estimated that 21M adult US citizens lack some kind of government issued photo ID for the reasons I explained above. But let's stop dancing around it. Everyone knows what this is about and so do you. And it ain't fraud.
Personally, I think voting in the next election should require vaccination cards.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@ BigAl99 said:
@ AGRforever said:
@"BarrNone55" said:
194 mass shootings in 130 days this year: let’s make it easier to buy guns
16 alleged cases of voter fraud out of 160 million votes in 2020: let’s make it harder to vote
The GQP
Just so we’re clear, something as important as picking our leaders should be done without ID but something Constitutionally protected should have all sorts of ID requirements and fierce background checks?
one is a problem, one isn’t. one needs a solution and the other doesn’t. thats the point.
So says you. You cant possibly know how much voter fraud exists without actually ID’ing people. Otherwise we literally take the persons word for who they are. Imagine if bars took teenagers word.
You need an ID to do everything of any importance in the world. Assuming POC cant get one is the most irrational BS argument the left has going these days.
Will you be ok when facial recognition software inevitablely gets used to ID people?
facial recognician is already part of your driver license. There is only proof of election integrity, not one bit of proof of any organized fraud. their is a whole lot of proof on mass shootings though.
Barr pointed out there is voter fraud. You even thumbs upped him. So there is voter fraud happening. Some of us believe its the tip of the iceberg while you believe its a non issue. I dont believe it was enough to tip the 2020 presidential election but there were some very slim margins in down ballots.
Yeah. 16 out of 160,000,000. Pretty sure it didn't make a difference.
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
And therein lies your biggest problem: the common assumption conservatives make that everyone is, or at least should be, like them.
They should be white, employed, a driver, rural or suburban and they can't figure out why someone would not have, for example, a drivers license. That's just one form of ID but it's by far the most common.
Well not everyone is like that. Young, old, poor, minorities, urban dwellers who take transit don't always have drivers licenses. Other forms of ID perhaps, but not necessarily.
In an effective Democracy you want as many people to vote as possible. By enacting voter ID laws, millions of Americans would be unable to vote. And let's be honest. Everyone knows what this is about. It's obviously not about reducing the 16 of 16M fraud cases. We all know the vast majority of the voters it would disenfranchise are voters who vote democratic.
With that mind, let's hear your argument for it.
Who are all these people that legally have the right to vote but yet dont have easy access to some form of picture ID? How do these people do all the other things in this country that require a picture ID?
I asked a simple question and you failed to answer it. Why try and make it about me, apparently you can't just answer the question?
I will answer yours, there are laws saying who can' and can't vote, just as there are laws saying other things, many of which require a visual id, this isn't like asking people to take an IQ test or some way of paring down who votes, its about ensuring that people trying to vote are legally able to do so. If the cases of fraud are so minimal why are you so scared of voter id requirements? Maybe its because if IDs were required it would expose many many more cases of fraud?
Your lack of knowledge about the way the world is outside of South Dakotas borders is astonishing.
It's estimated that 21M adult US citizens lack some kind of government issued photo ID for the reasons I explained above. But let's stop dancing around it. Everyone knows what this is about and so do you. And it ain't fraud.
Personally, I think voting in the next election should require vaccination cards.
I call bull shit on that number, you cant do shit in this country without a valid picture ID, and even if they dont have one its not that difficult to get one.
and no, not everything is racism, no matter what the voices in your head keep telling you and no matter how often you repeat it, not everything is about racism.
and thats cute on the vaccination thing, how about we just start with proving that somebody is who they say they are and go from there. by the way, for months ive heard how underserved the minority/impoverished communities are when it comes to getting access to vaccinations and health care, now you want to exclude those people from voting in your world, mighty bid of you.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Can anybody put out a good reason not to have a picture voter id requirement? You need IDs for literally everything else in the country but its to demanding for the right to vote? Make the argument please.
And therein lies your biggest problem: the common assumption conservatives make that everyone is, or at least should be, like them.
They should be white, employed, a driver, rural or suburban and they can't figure out why someone would not have, for example, a drivers license. That's just one form of ID but it's by far the most common.
Well not everyone is like that. Young, old, poor, minorities, urban dwellers who take transit don't always have drivers licenses. Other forms of ID perhaps, but not necessarily.
In an effective Democracy you want as many people to vote as possible. By enacting voter ID laws, millions of Americans would be unable to vote. And let's be honest. Everyone knows what this is about. It's obviously not about reducing the 16 of 16M fraud cases. We all know the vast majority of the voters it would disenfranchise are voters who vote democratic.
With that mind, let's hear your argument for it.
They don't buy alcohol? Or do any number of other things that require IDs? Yet they vote? I really find that a stretch. The young can't vote anyway, so that excuse is out the window.
The large elephant in the room is, of that vast majority of democratic voters, are they legal voters?
Quote: @Nichelle said:
Why ??????
Texas Permitless Carry Bill On Way To Gov. Greg Abbott’s Desk – CBS Dallas / Fort Worth (cbslocal.com)
AUSTIN, Texas (CBSDFW.COM/AP) – Texas is poised to remove one of its last gun restrictions after lawmakers approved allowing people to carry handguns without a license, and the background check and training that go with it.
The Texas Senate approved the measure on Monday, May 24 (after the Texas House passed its version on Sunday), sending it to Gov. Greg Abbott, who has said he will sign it despite the objections of law enforcement groups who say it would endanger the public and police.
Gun control groups also oppose the measure, noting the state’s recent history of mass shootings, including those at an El Paso Walmart, a church in Sutherland Springs, and a high school outside Houston, though each of those attacks, the assailants primarily used assault-style rifles, not handguns.
Texas currently has more than 1.6 million handgun license holders.
Supporters of the bill say it would allow Texans to better defend themselves in public while abolishing unnecessary impediments to the constitutional right to bear arms.
Once signed into law, Texas will join nearly two dozen other states that allow some form of unregulated carry of a handgun.
Texas already allows rifles to be carried in public without a license.
The measure sent to Abbott would allow anyone age 21 or older to carry a handgun as long as they don’t have violent crime convictions or some other legal prohibition in their background.
But there would be no way to weed them out without the state background check currently in the licensing process.
The bill would not prevent businesses from banning guns on their property, and federal background checks for some gun purchases would remain in place.
Texas has no state restrictions on private gun sales.
Texas has allowed people to carry handguns since 1995, and has been reducing the cost and training requirements for getting a license for the last decade.
And how is their murder rate compared to, say Chicago.
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