Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority as this board hates everything Packer regardless, but I thought McCarthy was a decent HC.
I think he had a good offensive mind, kinda like Green.
I started to doubt his hc capabilities when I look at his record without Rogers.
I guess I'd challenge somebody to find a coach that does consistently well, year in and year out without a franchise QB....especially at Rogers's level. And what do you have to work with at the #2 spot when you are paying a ton of money to your starting QB? I don't think its a completely fair prism to judge a coach in the NFL who has a great QB. Great players make great coaches and when you have a lesser than guy in such an important position as NFL QB, you aren't going to be as successful. JMO on the subject.
The guy who comes to mind is the aforementioned Mr Green. Playoffs most every year. One losing season. How many different QB's? I think Denny could have done better with a Farve or a Rodgers.
Denny could have done better with a Defense...He did pretty good finding Randall, George and then Pepp.
Can't disagree about the defense. However you left out Gannon, McMahon, Moon and Johnson. Did i miss anybody else? That's alot of QB's for 11 years of work.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority as this board hates everything Packer regardless, but I thought McCarthy was a decent HC.
I think he had a good offensive mind, kinda like Green.
I started to doubt his hc capabilities when I look at his record without Rogers.
I guess I'd challenge somebody to find a coach that does consistently well, year in and year out without a franchise QB....especially at Rogers's level. And what do you have to work with at the #2 spot when you are paying a ton of money to your starting QB? I don't think its a completely fair prism to judge a coach in the NFL who has a great QB. Great players make great coaches and when you have a lesser than guy in such an important position as NFL QB, you aren't going to be as successful. JMO on the subject.
The guy who comes to mind is the aforementioned Mr Green. Playoffs most every year. One losing season. How many different QB's? I think Denny could have done better with a Farve or a Rodgers.
Denny could have done better with a Defense...He did pretty good finding Randall, George and then Pepp.
Can't disagree about the defense. However you left out Gannon, McMahon, Moon and Johnson. Did i miss anybody else? That's alot of QB's for 11 years of work.
Without a doubt...Finding 2 hof QB's over 35 years in GB vs the shitshow the vikings had @ QB over how many seasons?
I know which route I'd choose, every time.
The Cheezers here in WI liked him personally but always complained about his clock management and other play calls during the game.
I'm not sure how much influence he had on personnel decisions but the locals were very concerned re: his failure to develop a consistent running attack to balance Rodgers.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority as this board hates everything Packer regardless, but I thought McCarthy was a decent HC.
I actually always thought the opposite. I can't count how many wins the Pukers had just because of Rodgers pulling some damn rabbit out of his helmet. Always felt McCarthy was overrated.
Quote: @1VikesFan said:
@ StickyBun said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority as this board hates everything Packer regardless, but I thought McCarthy was a decent HC.
I actually always thought the opposite. I can't count how many wins the Pukers had just because of Rodgers pulling some damn rabbit out of his helmet. Always felt McCarthy was overrated.
I actually thought they were perfect for each other. Overrated and arrogant.
Quote: @StickyBun said
I guess I'd challenge somebody to find a coach that does consistently well, year in and year out without a franchise QB....especially at Rogers's level. And what do you have to work with at the #2 spot when you are paying a ton of money to your starting QB? I don't think its a completely fair prism to judge a coach in the NFL who has a great QB. Great players make great coaches and when you have a lesser than guy in such an important position as NFL QB, you aren't going to be as successful. JMO on the subject.
You don't have to look too far... Look at what Zimmer has done with the Vikings... he won the division with Teddy Bridgewater in his 2nd season, then went 8-8 after losing his starting QB (Teddy) a week before the season and his HOF RB (Adrian) two weeks into the year, then went 13-3 after he again lost his starting QB (Bradford) a week into the season and had to play with a journeyman backup QB (Keenum).
Fans like to rag on Zimmer, but he's only had one losing season (his first as a HC) in five years as our Head Coach. If we could get some continuity at QB and OC, I think the Vikings would be a perennial playoff team.
I was making us all popcorn... I thought it was, "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ StickyBun said
I guess I'd challenge somebody to find a coach that does consistently well, year in and year out without a franchise QB....especially at Rogers's level. And what do you have to work with at the #2 spot when you are paying a ton of money to your starting QB? I don't think its a completely fair prism to judge a coach in the NFL who has a great QB. Great players make great coaches and when you have a lesser than guy in such an important position as NFL QB, you aren't going to be as successful. JMO on the subject.
You don't have to look too far... Look at what Zimmer has done with the Vikings... he won the division with Teddy Bridgewater in his 2nd season, then went 8-8 after losing his starting QB (Teddy) a week before the season and his HOF RB (Adrian) two weeks into the year, then went 13-3 after he again lost his starting QB (Bradford) a week into the season and had to play with a journeyman backup QB (Keenum).
Fans like to rag on Zimmer, but he's only had one losing season (his first as a HC) in five years as our Head Coach. If we could get some continuity at QB and OC, I think the Vikings would be a perennial playoff team.
In 3 out of 5 seasons, Zimmer has won 8 games or less. I like him ok, but I'm not close to crowning him anything yet. And neither should anyone else. 1-2 in the playoffs. And you can blame Zimmer for the lack of OC continuity.
2019 is his year. Lets see the baby.
Quote: @suncoastvike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ suncoastvike said:
@ StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ StickyBun said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority as this board hates everything Packer regardless, but I thought McCarthy was a decent HC.
I think he had a good offensive mind, kinda like Green.
I started to doubt his hc capabilities when I look at his record without Rogers.
I guess I'd challenge somebody to find a coach that does consistently well, year in and year out without a franchise QB....especially at Rogers's level. And what do you have to work with at the #2 spot when you are paying a ton of money to your starting QB? I don't think its a completely fair prism to judge a coach in the NFL who has a great QB. Great players make great coaches and when you have a lesser than guy in such an important position as NFL QB, you aren't going to be as successful. JMO on the subject.
The guy who comes to mind is the aforementioned Mr Green. Playoffs most every year. One losing season. How many different QB's? I think Denny could have done better with a Farve or a Rodgers.
Denny could have done better with a Defense...He did pretty good finding Randall, George and then Pepp.
Can't disagree about the defense. However you left out Gannon, McMahon, Moon and Johnson. Did i miss anybody else? That's alot of QB's for 11 years of work.
Salisbury
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ StickyBun said
I guess I'd challenge somebody to find a coach that does consistently well, year in and year out without a franchise QB....especially at Rogers's level. And what do you have to work with at the #2 spot when you are paying a ton of money to your starting QB? I don't think its a completely fair prism to judge a coach in the NFL who has a great QB. Great players make great coaches and when you have a lesser than guy in such an important position as NFL QB, you aren't going to be as successful. JMO on the subject.
You don't have to look too far... Look at what Zimmer has done with the Vikings... he won the division with Teddy Bridgewater in his 2nd season, then went 8-8 after losing his starting QB (Teddy) a week before the season and his HOF RB (Adrian) two weeks into the year, then went 13-3 after he again lost his starting QB (Bradford) a week into the season and had to play with a journeyman backup QB (Keenum).
Fans like to rag on Zimmer, but he's only had one losing season (his first as a HC) in five years as our Head Coach. If we could get some continuity at QB and OC, I think the Vikings would be a perennial playoff team.
In 3 out of 5 seasons, Zimmer has won 8 games or less. I like him ok, but I'm not close to crowning him anything yet. And neither should anyone else. 1-2 in the playoffs. And you can blame Zimmer for the lack of OC continuity.
2019 is his year. Lets see the baby.
You asked someone to name a coach who has done well consistently without a franchise QB... I gave you a current HC who has won 2 division titles in 5 seasons with Teddy Bridgewater and Case Keenum... and that is in a division with Aaron Rodgers. In fact, he actually finished ahead of the Packers in 3 out of the last 5 seasons... If you don't want someone to answer the question, don't ask. :-P
As far as the lack of continuity at OC, I think Norv was threatened by Shurmur and Sparano offering input into the offense in 2016... and he should have been put on notice after our offense wasn't very good in 2014 and 2015. Promoting Shurmur was the right move, Zimmer couldn't help it that he got offered a HC job. DeFelippo was a mistake, but I like who he's brought in this year.
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