Deer get shot in the head for quick and painless death. And then for food. Babies are killed because people are too lazy and stupid to use protection. I am ok with an abortion in the first trimester but after that it's truly sad.... If you can't see the difference between the two than its your morals that need questioning. Not mine!
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@ Viking1987 said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
A weirdo in Wisconsin throws away a bag of puppies turns into an anti-abortion, anti-Democrat rant from pumpf ... guess I find neither surprising.
he. has a valid point
And what abortion has to do with some sicko throwing away a bag of puppies is beyond me.
Of course it is. (Beyond you)
Address pumpf directly in this thread. I dare you. 
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@ SFVikeFan said:
@ Viking1987 said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
A weirdo in Wisconsin throws away a bag of puppies turns into an anti-abortion, anti-Democrat rant from pumpf ... guess I find neither surprising.
he. has a valid point
And what abortion has to do with some sicko throwing away a bag of puppies is beyond me.
Of course it is. (Beyond you)
Address pumpf directly in this thread. I dare you. 
Yawn. Let me know when you have something to contribute beyond some juvenile double dog dare.
Sorry you can't grasp how anyone can be pro choice and against animal cruelty. Just like you can pretend to have some moral high ground about unborn children yet support families being torn apart by Trump's zero tolerance policy for immigration.
Let me know when you can understand the difference between supporting a pro life agenda vs a pro birth one.
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@ Viking1987 said:
@ SFVikeFan said:
A weirdo in Wisconsin throws away a bag of puppies turns into an anti-abortion, anti-Democrat rant from pumpf ... guess I find neither surprising.
he. has a valid point
Not at all.
You don't get to be pro-life and claim moral high ground if you also support Trump, his policies and budget. Have you seen what Trump's latest budget is cutting? Funding for food stamps, education, Medicaid, social security - after he swore he wouldn't touch social security and Medicaid ... just another Trump broken promise as now he wants to steal from social security and Medicaid to pay for his tax cuts for the 1% and corporations. Republicans have declared war on the elderly, the sick and the poor and I'm pretty sure Jesus had plenty to say about taking care of those people.
You're only pro birth, care more about an unborn fetus than the welfare of the children who are already here and growing up in poverty with no support from Republicans. Supporting the evil Trump "zero tolerance policy" of Separation of families? Trump had Neo Nazis marching and chanting "Jews will not replace us", kill a protester, and insists there were fine people on both sides? Sorry no moral high ground there either. Voting for a serial adulterer who cheats on all his wives and brags about assaulting women, brags about wanting to date his own daughter if he wasn't her Dad and calls her a hot piece of ass ... after screaming about Clinton's affair and impeaching him for lying about it, nope sorry you're just hypocrites.
But you want to take away a woman's choice to bring a child into the world where Republicans want nothing to do with helping its development, take away women's access to healthcare to avoid unwanted pregnancies... that's your virtuous noble cause? What a joke.
And what abortion has to do with some sicko throwing away a bag of puppies is beyond me. You think people can't be pro-choice and against animal cruelty ? Lord some of you are warped.
What a load of hooey. If Trump lied, how is that comparable to killing pre-born children and leaving infants to die on a table or in a bucket?
Yeah, I get that "you guys" think that the best thing we can do for people is to give them handouts. If nothing else, it sure makes your candidates popular among the unintelligent (or those who've never lived in the "real world"). But forcing people to get a job is hardly the same as killing children. And, no: your false narrative has no merit. There are some folks who truly need "handouts". Those are the folks that should get them. But anyone who's been in the "real world" knows that abuse of the system is rampant. Your beef, therefore, ought to be with those who abuse the system- not with those charged with trying to live within a budget. I know of one lady who lives in a house, with $500/ rent. Guess how much she pays? $12. The gov't (i.e. "taxpayers") takes care of the rest. She is former drug addict... who has had her kids taken from her. In other words, she made bad choices; and now the rest of us have to pay for it.
As for the "pro-birth" nonsense... where to begin? Poverty has gone DOWN under Trump. Separating families happens all the time- when people break the law. What do you think happens when parents are drug addicts? (Hint: see above) Anytime a parent goes to jail, there is a separation of children from their parents. Are you suggesting that we shouldn't send people to jail- because it will separate them from their kids? The whole argument is just asinine. As usual, people make bad choices... and "you guys" want to protect them from the consequences (which is all abortion is).
And please do not try to make accusations about Nazis. The Democratic party is- almost entirely- filled with people afraid to call out anti-semitism. Yes, there are some right-wing folks who are anti-semites, too. Point them out to me and I'll condemn them right along with you. Sadly, the Democrats will not do that. (Of course, you think that anyone who disagrees with your opinions is a "Nazi"... so we might have a problem there.) By the way: I didn't vote for Trump. So you can take your "you're just hypocrites" and cram it. And I wouldn't vote for him in the next election either, if your party wasn't filled with racist, ignorant (of how economics work), bigots. Pretty sad... that as bas as Trump might be, he's still more trustworthy than anyone your side can present (with the possible exception of Biden... who is being flayed by fellow Democrats- showing just what kind of people they are).
Abortion is only a "woman's choice" if child abuse is a "father's choice". If you think a child is property, devoid of any standing under the law... then, yes: a child is a "woman's choice". But after life has begun, it is a separate (from the mother), living being. To even suggest that a mother should have the "choice" of killing her child is absurd and disgusting. As for caring for children after their born... I wonder which "party" is more charitable... and supports pregnancy resource centers, food banks, the Salvation Army, etc. Hint: not you guys. Also, the Republicans support giving families the option of sending their children to a better school, if the family should want it. Yet, out of deference to the teacher's unions (which exist ONLY to help teachers get richer- not making kids smarter), your party refuses that "choice".
Finally: stop with calling abortion "healthcare". It just makes you look dumb. Healthcare is about improving and protecting life. Abortion does neither- for anyone. It is a sick euphemism that abortionists came up with to defend their evil deeds. Only stupid people would think that abortion has anything to do with "healthcare". If that's healthcare... then stealing money is "financial planning".
Pumpf your posts are pure comedy, the bullshit is on full display. What do you think is Planned Parenthood? Healthcare services. Which party is at war trying to defund them? GOP. If you truly cared about abortions, why do you Republicans support defunding PP and women's access to healthcare like birth control, which prevent unwanted pregnancies? Maybe if Republicans supported services like PP for low income women they wouldn't need an abortion to begin with. Maybe if conservatives gave up promoting abstinence only curriculums and had the foresight to implement sex education in schools you would see fewer STDs and teen pregnancies in red states. But no, let's limit information, education, and access to birth control and then scream at women for being stupid and how dare they get an abortion.
And really shame on you defending the separation of families. Talk about fake Christian bullshit. These people commit a misdemeanor. Do you seriously think that warrants taking away their children forever? Thousands of kids will never be reunited with their parents, for a low level crime. Do you really believe that's the only option? You don't think there's a more humane option that involves keeping them together or at least keeping track of them, reuniting them with parents prior to deportation? Of course you don't, they're brown people and not unborn fetuses so you feel zero empathy for them because you're a fake ass Christian. You don't care these kids are being abused, molested, thrown away without their parents like the bag of puppies ... because they're illegal and not worth your compassion or empathy. I think Jesus would argue all people and children are worth God's love. But nope, not white Christian America - we get to select who is worth our compassion, embryos are worth it but not brown kids who deserve to lose their parents over a misdemeanor and "we don't believe in handouts". This is why your churches are dying and why I and millions of others no longer attend. Conservatives would rather turn their backs on illegals' families being torn apart, turn backs on gay people and their own gay children, and spread their disdain for whatever minority they don't like ... then spend time picking apart the Bible to find a few passages that justify their exclusions of why ________ doesnt deserve our help .... while throwing away the biggest message of Christianity that all people and children are deserving of God's love.
And please, Democrats are the racists and bigots? Your blind devotion to one party is a microcosm of everything wrong with this country. Rep. King from Iowa has been ranting racist crap for decades. Trump can't even admit the shooting in NZ was a terrorist attack and that white nationalist violence is on the rise. If the NZ shooter was Muslim Trump would be on Twitter right now still ranting about terrorism. Once again Trump downplays white violence while screaming about the invasion of minorities and Muslims and the violence they bring here and had just posted to Twitter how the police, military and biker gangs were on his side and need to be tougher on people who don't believe in him. What a shitshow fascist dictatorship you're supporting.
One party is cutting funding for CHIP children's healthcare. One is slashing Meals on Wheels. One is cutting funding for education. One wants to rob Medicaid and Social Security. You can post about charities all you want but one political party is hellbent on lowering benefits to the American people while giving tax cuts to the rich and corporations. And only the uneducated and blindly mis-informed refuse to recognize that's exactly what the Republican budget called for. You don't believe in handouts yet let's talk about farm subsidies, $7 billion going to farmers solely due to Trump's ignorant policies that destroyed the soybean market. Let's talk about the companies who pay zero taxes while the middle class funds their corporate handouts.
I went to business school both here and in Germany studying economics and finance, and watching you dumbass Republicans trot out and vote in favor of the same failed economic policies for the last 30 years like Groundhog's Day is infuriating. Every election cycle it's the same failed bullshit: prop up tax cuts for rich, cut programs for the poor, increase bloated military spending, sink the economy, then wait for a Democrat President to bail the economy out and blame the Dems when recovery isn't fast enough to your liking when your idiot party sank it to begin with. Only this one goes even further with stupidity, let's give large corporations a massive tax cut and watch them not raise wages and engage in stock buybacks, then implement 19th century era tariffs on steel imports and start trade wars on other industries. Then we'll wait for the magic of your idiot trickle down/supply side economic policies to further destroy the middle class for the next 10 years . Trump's policies already destroyed soybean exports, and increased the trade deficit by 19% in a record breaking 15 months, the complete opposite effect of what genius Trump promised. But give him credit that's a record for bigliest economic policy blunder since the 1930's Hawley Smoot tariff act. If only Trump had passed Econ 101 at Wharton he would know how the tariifs and protectionism failed and sent us into the Great depression, and a century later we have a far more global economy than back then. So don't even start with what party doesn't understand basic principles of economics, there's a reason the stock market came to a screeching halt just a few days after Trump announced his tariffs in January 2018 and has completely flatlined and hasn't recovered since. How did your 401k do in 2018?
And sorry but I don't call an embryo of a cluster of cells and tissue a child that is entitled to more rights than its mother. Kentucky passed a heartbeat law that banned abortions after 6 weeks, long before a woman has a chance to discover, make an appointment with a doctor to even confirm if she is pregnant. That's so ignorant and draconian since a pulse of blood from the mother is now considered a heartbeat before organs have even developed. You Republicans have no right to press your religious views and your Christian beliefs on anyone. Yet that's exactly what you want, to impose Christian sharia law on the entire country while screaming about Muslims wanting to do the same.
Planned Parenthood is ALL about abortion. For you to suggest otherwise is either willfully- or sadly- ignorant on your part. There are a myriad of "health care" centers for women- and the Democrats support exactly zero of them. Why is that- if "you guys" supposedly care about women's health? But of course, it's not the woman's health that is the issue; it's the inconvenient "health" (life) of the unwanted child. By the way, Republicans have LONG supported health care centers for women- as long as they don't murder pre-born children. But that's not enough for Democrats, showing that- as is obvious for anyone with a brain- the issue is supporting abortion, not "women's health".
As for the children, I care about them a whole hell of a lot more than the Democrats do! That's why I don't want them making the dangerous trek... to enter a country illegally. The only people putting the lives of these children in jeopardy are the ones dragging them across Central America and Mexico. But, God forbid that the Democrats would hold anyone responsible for their actions (except, you know, conservatives). Nope: these folks treat their kids like luggage (hmmm... not unlike how Democrats view children: as property)... and then the US gov't is the "bad guy" for not just letting them all come in. Reminds me of Ned Flanders' wife screeching, "But what about the children?" What an intellectually lazy trope. You complain about aid being cut to social services... and then you want to let in a whole bunch more of people who will need social services. Illegal immigration is costing our country billions. If YOU cared about the welfare of our citizens, I would think that you'd be more interested in directing our country's limited resources to our own citizens, rather than adding a whole bunch more "takers" to the rolls. How do you suggest we pay for all those folks? Is that a bit callous? Maybe... but if I show up at your house and ask you to let me in- and then feed, house and pay me- and you refuse: then you're callous, too. Welcome aboard.
When Rep. King said stupid stuff, what the Senate Majority leader do about it? He ripped King, and condemned him. When various Democrats have said anti-semitic things, what did the House Majority leader do? Nothing... until she could offer up something that would make it clear that she was not- directly- condemning anything that her party members said. Nice try. We (conservatives) call out our own- when they are guilty. Democrats conveniently remain silent... when their side does the things that they accuse Republicans of doing. Did any of the top leaders in Virginia lose their jobs? Nope. Yet all 3 were Democrats, accused of sexual assault or racist pasts. But, yep: I'M the blind one...
You went to business school? GREAT! Explain how America can pay for the socialism that your party wants. I could argue simple economic theory with you (you know, like when businesses are freed up to pursue more wealth, they expand and employ more people... and when the costs of doing business goes up, someone (i.e. the consumer) has to make up the difference (or the business closes or cuts the hours of their employees)... but what's the point? If you support Democratic economics, then it's pretty obvious that you don't live in the real world. 3 states come to mind, which are totally controlled by Democrats: New York, Illinois and California. How are their economies doing with all their socialist ideals? New York has admitted how stupid they were... and Illinois is broke. California is streaking towards bankruptcy... but they're not there yet. How about all those $15 minimum wage cities? How are they doing? Oh, yeah: if the companies are still in business, the employers are cutting hours and looking towards automation. And that doesn't even factor in the rising costs to consumers. Starbucks is a great example: they have pulled out of alot (all?) of those cities... and relocated to more "business-friendly" cities, instead. And they are as loony left as businesses come. But even THEY can see the idiocy of these Democrat ideas. There are not enough people in the whole country to tax... to pay for liberal economic policies. RAISE TAXES! THAT'S THE SOLUTION! Except it has already been shown- historically- that it isn't.
You don't call a pre-born child a "child"... so when does it become "a child"? If a child is born a month pre-maturely, are they still a child... or do they have to wait another month? And what rights of the mother are you worried about- the right to kill a child that she doesn't want? I mean, that's all abortion is: the killing of an unwanted human life? Can you even agree with that obvious, scientific statement: that the "cluster of cells" is still a human life? I suppose- in your world- it would be draconian to arrest parents for abusing their kids? I mean, HOW DARE the gov't try to tell people what to do with their own property! It's Sharia Law, I tell you! Where is the freedom? How dare the gov't impose their sense of morality on parents who are just trying to get their kids to clean their rooms!?! Face it: you can trot out all the false analogies you want: abortion kills a human life. And for what? So that people can continue having sex without having to deal with the consequences? "Sex" is the god of the left. Everything they do... is to protect and worship that god. Maybe THEY should stop shoving THEIR religion down everyone else's throats?
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Yawn. Let me know when you have something to contribute beyond some juvenile double dog dare.
Fair enough. I went the lazy route on this one.
When you're Chester Taylor, and you realize AP is standing behind you... you move aside & let AP take his reps. 
Sorry you can't grasp how anyone can be pro choice and against animal cruelty. Just like you can pretend to have some moral high ground about unborn children yet support families being torn apart by Trump's zero tolerance policy for immigration.
The non-sequitorial analogies are so profound here....where to begin?
I'll say this... I hope pumpf's posts above reached some hearts & minds.
(anyone notice he didn't mention/argue Scripture in his posts?)
Planned Parenthood is all about abortions? Seriously STFU. Obviously you've never stepped foot in one and have no clue what they do. From STD testing, birth control and a host of other health services that have everything to do with keeping women healthy and preventing even more unwanted pregnancies ... some PP's perform abortions and yet that segment is only 10% of their overall services they provide ... just proves you're woefully ignorant.
You think Republicans are serious about immigration? Please explain why Republicans refuse to vote in favor of e-verify. That's the whole problem. Republicans enable employers to hire illegals, Trump being a prime example. If the illegals who are here had a path to a green card and legal status then they would be paying taxes, yet not eligible for the benefits of SSN and welfare until citizenship status is gained. So while Republicans rob our social security fund, slash the fund for the healthcare for children, you blame the drain on the billions spent for illegals but make no mention of the corporate welfare that's in the trillions, why? Because you're more concerned with brown people being fed with your taxes than the corporations making billions and not paying a penny in taxes, what a double standard that shows your true colors and priorities of a fake Christian. There's the solution to funding Social Security - legalize illegals and get them on legit payrolls paying taxes. But Republicans love cheap, illegal labor, from their maids, housekeepers, landscapers, construction workers, painters, berry pickers ... white conservatives bitch about illegals but love the cheap labor costs they provide. Without these people there would be a labor shortage for all the jobs white people are too lazy to do.
And for the record California is the 6th largest economy on the planet, contributing far more to the federal government in taxes than it takes in for benefits, and without their tax revenues the red state welfare queens would be starving. Tell me how California is doing compared to the moron Republicans bankrupting Kansas using trickle down economics. How is Mississippi, Louisiana, Tennessee, Arkansas doing? Don't make me laugh at what states annually finish last in education and rampant welfare. Anytime you want a serious discussion on supply side economics and its repeated failures let me know.
And you throw around socialism like it's some dirty word. Top 10 countries on the planet of happiness and standard of living? Finland , Norway, Sweden, Denmark, all socialist countries. USA is 19th and falling. And are you suggesting that your family and friends should not cash those Medicare, Medicaid, social security benefits right? Police, fire, roads ... even your stupid wall you idiots want built is a form of a socialist program.
Seriously pumpf you're so misinformed it would be funny as hell if it wasn't so tragic.
And yes I do know how to afford all of this. It's been suggested many times over and Republicans would rather force the middle class to foot the bill.
1) Reduce our bloated military budget. We are #1 in world by a mile, outspending #2-#6 combined.
2) Restructuring corporate tax laws, eliminate offshore tax havens and all the loopholes that allow corporations to earn billions in profit and pay ZERO taxes. Amazon? Paid 0 taxes. Ford? Refunded over $100 million. That's why we are in a deficit because Republicans want to give the corporations even bigger handouts.
I would stagger the tax rates for companies based on their employees. I have no problem with small companies paying less in taxes, but companies with over 1000 employees need to pay their share and not be given loopholes to avoid paying federal taxes.
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