Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Caactorvike said:
OMG “formally charged” for taking someone’s hat off? the slap is not part of that? thats crazy. Using the event as an opportunity to talk about the political climate, world affairs and appropriate ways to handle those issues etc is a much better approach than jailing a teenager.
Good Lord, if I had a dollar for every hat flipped off a kid's head in high school, I could retire. And what is this "tolerant left" referring to in the OP? We on the left are not at all tolerant. In fact, we're exceptionally INTOLERANT of everything that hat stands for: hate, racism, misogyny.
were you screaming at the kid when you flipped the hat off? how about smacking a teacher? this girl is fucking nuts to wig out like that over a hat. how many confederate flags have you seen in your life?
and no that hat stands for some peoples hope for a better America, the man behind the hat may be a different story, but its just a hat. i saw a ton of obama bumper stickers that i thought represented a racist piece of shit, would I have been ok to remove the bumpers from peoples car because of what their sticker represented? no..
and of course, tolerance only when it fits within your beliefs... everybody else needs to change their ways or suffer the rath.
Quote: @greediron said:
You do realize the "taking kids away" was happening under Obama, right? As to the rest, that is mostly a "political" list and could be made towards any president one disagrees with.
Greed, I refuse to believe that you don't know the fundamental difference between the Trump and Obama policies.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ Caactorvike said:
OMG “formally charged” for taking someone’s hat off? the slap is not part of that? thats crazy. Using the event as an opportunity to talk about the political climate, world affairs and appropriate ways to handle those issues etc is a much better approach than jailing a teenager.
Good Lord, if I had a dollar for every hat flipped off a kid's head in high school, I could retire. And what is this "tolerant left" referring to in the OP? We on the left are not at all tolerant. In fact, we're exceptionally INTOLERANT of everything that hat stands for: hate, racism, misogyny.
were you screaming at the kid when you flipped the hat off? how about smacking a teacher? this girl is fucking nuts to wig out like that over a hat. how many confederate flags have you seen in your life?
and no that hat stands for some peoples hope for a better America, the man behind the hat may be a different story, but its just a hat. i saw a ton of obama bumper stickers that i thought represented a racist piece of shit, would I have been ok to remove the bumpers from peoples car because of what their sticker represented? no..
and of course, tolerance only when it fits within your beliefs... everybody else needs to change their ways or suffer the rath.
Eventually, yes. Progressive thought ended slavery, institutional racism, made discrimination in the workplace illegal. We're currently working on sexual harassment, monuments to racism and marriage equality, among others. I'm sure dingbats who wear hats like that consider all that "political correctness." We consider it a more perfect union. You don't have to like it. Clearly there are thousands of people out there still pissed as hell they have to treat blacks as equals, gays as human beings, women with respect, etc. But you do have to eventually accept it if you want to continue living here. The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.
Thank God for MB! And the equivalency arguement just doesn’t wash. We have NEVER. had president like Trump. Ever. Period. I have said I would defend your right to your conservative views. But if you really think “there are good people on both sides, on both sides” as Trump repeated regarding The Charlottesville disgrace or that the policies of Obama and Trump even share the same universe you are not a Conservative. You are an apologist for a despot.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
You do realize the "taking kids away" was happening under Obama, right? As to the rest, that is mostly a "political" list and could be made towards any president one disagrees with.
Greed, I refuse to believe that you don't know the fundamental difference between the Trump and Obama policies.
Yes, one has to deal with the failings of the other. This issue goes back much further tho, back to the Clinton days and the 9th circuit.
But the point is, it is easy to throw out the red herring and accuse Trump of being a hateful bigot. The reality is just a wee bit deeper, but we wouldn't want to get the kiddie pool in over their heads.
Quote: @Caactorvike said:
Thank God for MB! And the equivalency arguement just doesn’t wash. We have NEVER. had president like Trump. Ever. Period. I have said I would defend your right to your conservative views. But if you really think “there are good people on both sides, on both sides” as Trump repeated regarding The Charlottesville disgrace or that the policies of Obama and Trump even share the same universe you are not a Conservative. You are an apologist for a despot.
Who is apologizing ? I don't care for much of what he does but I am not delusional in thinkING that there is some moral high ground to the alternative. You can pretend that the Dems have the general publics best itnterest at heart, but you can't be that clueless are you?
not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
Quote: @Caactorvike said:
Nothing done by Trump to get a kid so pissed iff?? are you kidding? Hiw about taking kids sway from their families by the thousands? and so far over 500 kids still not united with them and no plan in place to correct this?? how about the pledge to "drain the swamp?" How many if his cabinet have resigned for abusing their oiffice? Hiw manyvtop level advisors indited and convicted? what about the neverending shitstorm of tweets villifying the charcters of so many? withdrawing from the human rights council of the united nations? Gutting the EPA so we have no protections agsinst dirty air snd water? the list goes on and on. To actually sit down and discuss rationally whats going on is a pulic necessity right now. You of course are entitled to you conservative beliefs and I will always defend your right to share them. But dont think for a second Trump wont trampke on your right to do so if it serves his desire to rule.
Even if everything you've said is true (it's not... but I know that you won't be swayed by facts- at least not on the topic of Trump), it still doesn't make any kind of violence acceptable or appropriate. When did "2 wrongs don't make a right" stop being accepted truth? Maybe you're not defending this kid's actions (it sounds like you are, but I may be taking your comments in a way that you didn't intend), but others are/have (and not just in this instance). The whole "antifa" movement is nothing more than a modern-day lynch mob. In fact, I read a story last week about them beating up a guy who was holding an American flag (at some rally). The problem (besides this pansies thinking that mob violence is ever appropriate) is that this guy was on THEIR side. He was trying to show that Americans can be patriotic- and still be opposed to what the gov't is up to. But the lynch-mob didn't bother to converse with the man; they just tried to steal his flag. And when he wouldn't give it up, they attacked him and sent him to the hospital with a big gash to the head. Of course, there are myriad examples of "antifa" attacking journalist. Funny thing, though: since the journalists are in league with "antifa's" grievances... they just "take it".
I know this: if any conservative (or neo-conservative) group was doing what antifa is doing, the media would be DEMANDING that something be done. But since it's a leftist group doing the violence, they will look the other way (or, even worse, DEFEND the group!).
If everyone could just agree that what this student did was wrong (to rip the hat off and then attack the teacher), we might actually start to bridge the gap between the divided parties. But as long as people cling to the "if my side did it, I must defend my side... but if your side did it, it is a crime against humanity"... we're never going to be able to become more united. I would think that leftists would avoid allowing violence to be the way to settle ideological differences; since they are ill-equipped to win that kind of battle.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Caactorvike said:
OMG “formally charged” for taking someone’s hat off? the slap is not part of that? thats crazy. Using the event as an opportunity to talk about the political climate, world affairs and appropriate ways to handle those issues etc is a much better approach than jailing a teenager.
Good Lord, if I had a dollar for every hat flipped off a kid's head in high school, I could retire. And what is this "tolerant left" referring to in the OP? We on the left are not at all tolerant. In fact, we're exceptionally INTOLERANT of everything that hat stands for: hate, racism, misogyny.
The problem is that you guys define "hate, racism and mysogyny" as: "anything that I disagree with". Trump is alot of things, but he's not a racist. He probably does have some "hate" in his heart, but no more than Obama had. But, since his hate doesn't align with your own, it's wrong. Your "side" has plenty of "hate" within it; and it was on full display during GWB's presidency. Pres. Bush isn't anything like Trump; yet the left hated him just as much. Kind of makes you think that what they really hate is people who are not like them. Gee, that sounds like bigotry. But as long as you hate the right people... for the right reasons... then it is OK. And as long as Bill Clinton has a place of honor in the Democratic party, ANY charges of misogyny (by liberals) is hollow propaganda.
As for "tolerant"... YOU guys were the ones who sold yourselves as "tolerant". But what you have demonstrated (with words and deeds) is that you are only tolerant of those with whom you agree. Wow. What nobility. So, in other words: you're just like Republicans.
Quote: @Caactorvike said:
not clueless at all pal. not at all. And yes, compared to Trump, I certainly do believe "the Dems" have the gereral public's best interests at heart. I havent used insulting terms like "clueless" or "kiddie pool" like you guys have done. I called you an apologist which is valid--you make apologies for Trump's behavior by using false equivilencies and excusing reprehensible behavior with the canard that everyone does what he does. i continued to defend your right to hold your conservative views. why can't you accord me the same right?
I appreciate your willingness to allow ("tolerate") an opposing point of view. For the record, I did not vote for Trump. And I caught alot of heck for it. But I can tell you this: if the election were held tomorrow, I would vote for him (warts and all) because of what "you guys" have done since the election. What you don't seem to understand is that when you label Trump as a "racist", what you are really saying is that anyone who thinks as Trump does (about border policies, for example) is a racist. I don't have a dog in the fight; I think I agree with you when it comes to the personal failings of Trump. I don't think he's a good guy at all. I do think he is a misogynist... and I do think he "hates" certain people (but his objects of hatred have nothing to do with race, lifestyle choices or any of that stuff; he hates people who attack him/irritate him/make him look bad). I won't defend any of his behaviors. But I will point out that those who say they have a problem with Trumps behaviors (and words) never said a peep about Clinton. That tells me that they don't really care about women; it's all about tribal politics. And that's wrong.
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