Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
I would not put any stock into the actual Senior Bowl game.
The practices do show some things but it does not equal the total picture of the player.
Holmes may have beat Hernandez on one play but how would he hold up going up against him for four quarters?
Maybe by the 4th quarter he would be pretty tired of getting man handled by Hernandez?
It is interesting that they did not show many running plays because that is where Hernandez would own him.
Holmes has a long ways to go and I still cannot figure out why they chose him over Hurst if they wanted a 3T.
Must be the heart issue.
Wha?? Of course it was the heart issue. That came out weeks before the draft.
And as far as the Senior Bowl goes, the tape of Holmes beating Hernandez WAS a practice. That wasn't game film. Holmes and Hernandez were on the same team. What's more, yeah, Hernandez is going to win a lot of those battles too, especially in the run game. Bottom line is that Holmes went one on one against a highly regarded lineman and made him look silly. You don't have to take any more from it than that.
Quote: @Ponifan said:
I actually like him better at LDE, but there is a logjam there so I understand.
He's not what Zimmer and Patterson like at DE: <265 and fast as LBs.
IMO the challenge for Holmes will be putting on some weight. At 283, he's another Tom Johnson, part-time player. If he adds some lower-body muscle and gets to about 295 - without losing quickness - he could become a good full-time 3T.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ Ponifan said:
I actually like him better at LDE, but there is a logjam there so I understand.
He's not what Zimmer and Patterson like at DE: <265 and fast as LBs.
IMO the challenge for Holmes will be putting on some weight. At 283, he's another Tom Johnson, part-time player. If he adds some lower-body muscle and gets to about 295 - without losing quickness - he could become a good full-time 3T.
He's the exact same size as Malik Jackson, the pro bowl DT for the Titans. Holmes 6-5, 283, 34 inch arms. Jackson 6-5, 284, 33 inch arms.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Jor-El said:
@ Ponifan said:
I actually like him better at LDE, but there is a logjam there so I understand.
He's not what Zimmer and Patterson like at DE: <265 and fast as LBs.
IMO the challenge for Holmes will be putting on some weight. At 283, he's another Tom Johnson, part-time player. If he adds some lower-body muscle and gets to about 295 - without losing quickness - he could become a good full-time 3T.
He's the exact same size as Malik Jackson, the pro bowl DT for the Titans. Holmes 6-5, 283, 34 inch arms. Jackson 6-5, 284, 33 inch arms.
yeah, I dont think the extra 10lbs are quite as necessary as Holmes isnt going to try to win very often by leaning on anybody, his quicks and technique are his primary tools. It would be great if he were able to add a few lbs and maintain what he does, but I wouldnt be messing with the recipe until weve tasted it.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
He's the exact same size as Malik Jackson, the pro bowl DT for the Titans. Holmes 6-5, 283, 34 inch arms. Jackson 6-5, 284, 33 inch arms.
He's almost a physical/athletic clone of Datone Jones as well... who the Vikings tried to convert to a 3T last offseason. If he takes well to coaching and is a quick learner, he could earn some snaps as a pass rushing specialist in his rookie season. There is a lot to like about this kid.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
He's the exact same size as Malik Jackson, the pro bowl DT for the Titans. Holmes 6-5, 283, 34 inch arms. Jackson 6-5, 284, 33 inch arms.
He's almost a physical/athletic clone of Datone Jones as well... who the Vikings tried to convert to a 3T last offseason. If he takes well to coaching and is a quick learner, he could earn some snaps as a pass rushing specialist in his rookie season. There is a lot to like about this kid.
Could've done without that comparison, Wetlander. Don't know what Jones problem was. He actually had several standout moments during his Senior Bowl week as well. Cautionary tale I guess.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
He's the exact same size as Malik Jackson, the pro bowl DT for the Titans. Holmes 6-5, 283, 34 inch arms. Jackson 6-5, 284, 33 inch arms.
He's almost a physical/athletic clone of Datone Jones as well... who the Vikings tried to convert to a 3T last offseason. If he takes well to coaching and is a quick learner, he could earn some snaps as a pass rushing specialist in his rookie season. There is a lot to like about this kid.
Could've done without that comparison, Wetlander. Don't know what Jones problem was. He actually had several standout moments during his Senior Bowl week as well. Cautionary tale I guess.
LOL... sorry. Datone Jones was actually the first guy that popped into my head when I watched some video of Holmes. I was kind of shocked when I saw Holmes was an inch taller and had an inch longer arms, but same weight, 40 time, vertical, etc.
I don't know what Jones issues were... former first round pick, heck of a college player. Green Bay tried him at DE and LB and he couldn't stick. The Vikings tried him at 3T and that didn't work either. Maybe he just didn't have the work ethic or struggled with the mental aspect of the game? Who knows...
The good thing is, we see these player comps all the time and some end up being wrong, some are pretty accurate, and most fall in between. I'm not going to try to project what type of player Holmes will be. He has the physical traits you look for... we'll see if he has the heart and drive to maximize his abilities.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
I would not put any stock into the actual Senior Bowl game.
The practices do show some things but it does not equal the total picture of the player.
Holmes may have beat Hernandez on one play but how would he hold up going up against him for four quarters?
Maybe by the 4th quarter he would be pretty tired of getting man handled by Hernandez?
It is interesting that they did not show many running plays because that is where Hernandez would own him.
Holmes has a long ways to go and I still cannot figure out why they chose him over Hurst if they wanted a 3T.
Must be the heart issue.
Wha?? Of course it was the heart issue. That came out weeks before the draft.
And as far as the Senior Bowl goes, the tape of Holmes beating Hernandez WAS a practice. That wasn't game film. Holmes and Hernandez were on the same team. What's more, yeah, Hernandez is going to win a lot of those battles too, especially in the run game. Bottom line is that Holmes went one on one against a highly regarded lineman and made him look silly. You don't have to take any more from it than that.
And you do not have to put any more into one play than you apparently are.
Interesting that Hernandez was more highly regarded than Holmes even though Holmes beat him on that one play.
Holmes is an interesting pick that may or may not pan out.
I am not too fond of the recent 4th round picks made by the Vikings.
Quote: @kmillard said:
@ Scoog said:
@ NorthernCalVike said:
Maybe our new Alan "Spin Move" Page!! One can only hope
It's too much to hope that he's as good as HOFs like Page or Randle. We'll be happy if he's the next Keith Millard.
Let me know when Jayln Has 18 sacks and is NFL defensive MVP.
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Vikings rookie DT Jalyn Holmes credits C Pat Elflein with helping him reach NFL Vikings rookie defensive tackle Jalyn Holmes waited through the first two nights of the NFL Draft without hearing his name called, an excruciating experience for the 22-year-old and his family, who gathered at home in Norfolk, Va., to take in three-day spectacle.
“I thought I was going to go on Friday and ended up not going,” Holmes said. “That was a hard night.”
Holmes didn’t have to wait long on Saturday as the Vikings selected him No. 102 overall. After hearing the news, he collapsed into his mother’s arms while the rest of his family cheered.
“We were finally relieved because everything I worked for, and everything my parents sacrificed for, paid off,” Holmes said. “It was a good moment for the family.”
https://twitter.com/OhioStateFB/status/9...wsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=safari-reader%3A%2F%2Fwww.twincities.com%2F2018%2F05%2F04%2Fvikings-rookie-dt-jalyn-holmes-credits-c-pat-elflein-with-helping-him-reach-nfl%2F
Holmes called it “a perfect situation” to start his NFL career with the Vikings, adding that it also serves as a reunion with former Buckeyes teammate Pat Elflein, with whom he often went head to head in practice.
“He was a finalist for the Rimington Trophy (as best NCAA center), so he got me a couple of times,” Holmes said with a smile. “I got mine, too. He definitely helped me become the player I am today, especially going inside. Going against guys like him in practice every day definitely helped me get here.”
With Holmes weighing in at 285 pounds, the goal is for him to be playing right at a lean 290 pounds once next season rolls around.
https://www.twincities.com/2018/05/04/vi...reach-nfl/
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