Every Teddy long pass from 2015

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@"BarrNone55" said:
I wonder if there's a metric that charts a QBs willingness to let his WR make a play on a contested throw... 

Zimmer had a phrase for that... can't quite remember.

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@"BarrNone55" said:
I wonder if there's a metric that charts a QBs willingness to let his WR make a play on a contested throw... 

I doubt it. Too subjective. Who decides which contested throws are ballsy and which are ill-advised?

Gunslingin' Favre made a hall of fame career out of throwing both. He got away with it more often than not because of his gun. If we go with Keenum, I sure hope our popgun gunslinger holds up to against defenses who will have a year of him on film. 

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But how much of that awful production can really be attributed to
Bridgewater? By my charting, Bridgewater was accurate on 52 out of 87
deep attempts – good for an accuracy percentage of 60% — almost double his
completion percentage. By my count, 10 out of 87 incompletions were
accurate, contested passes that you would reasonably expect the receiver
to bring down. Another 5 incompletions were straight up dropped, going
right through the receivers’ hands despite there being no defenders
contesting the catch. That is 17% of Bridgewater’s passes that should have been caught, but that the receivers failed to bring in.

If you’re wondering how that is possible, consider that Mike Wallace
was the Vikings’ No. 1 wide receiver, who led all position players in
snap count in 2015.

He was PFF’s 101st ranked wide receiver that year.

Take out all the deep targets to Mike Wallace, and Bridgewater’s deep
completion percentage jumps to 41%, and his deep accuracy percentage
jumps to 64% – approximately top five in the league.

Hard to tell on the all 22 films which ones were Wallace, but William Wallace had better hands that year than Mike. 

Seemed like there were some pretty tight window throws in that video as well.  Just that the WRs didn't catch the throws that year like they did this year. 

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I couldn't continue watching it. I don't remember him looking that horrible. There were so many times he focused on one side of the field or a WR as soon as the ball was snapped, like a high school QB. I really do like the guy but the tape doesn't lie. It was hard to watch.

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It looked clunky all around.  For whatever reason, the main thing that caught my eye was the huge number of dropped passes in which the receiver got both hands on the ball and the huge amount of disgust I have for Wallace and Johnson.  They were just coasting around out there with no effort.  I don't think Bridgewater looked anything like a top 5 deep ball QB in that clip.  A lot of those plays he threw the ball early, and a lot of them were thrown without him setting his feet, but Diggs and Thielen probably made more contested catches on a per game basis than Wallace or Johnson even showed any effort at all in that whole season of deep balls.

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@"BarrNone55" said:
I wonder if there's a metric that charts a QBs willingness to let his WR make a play on a contested throw... 

I doubt it. Too subjective. Who decides which contested throws are ballsy and which are ill-advised?

Gunslingin' Favre made a hall of fame career out of throwing both. He got away with it more often than not because of his gun. If we go with Keenum, I sure hope our popgun gunslinger holds up to against defenses who will have a year of him on film. 

I wonder how much value that film study will be with a new OC? Sure, Keenum will have the same shortcomings, but I'd hope Flipper would put him in position to accentuate his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. Plus, he'll have Cook...I don't think that can be underestimated....

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@"BarrNone55" said:

@MaroonBells said:

@"BarrNone55" said:
I wonder if there's a metric that charts a QBs willingness to let his WR make a play on a contested throw... 

I doubt it. Too subjective. Who decides which contested throws are ballsy and which are ill-advised?

Gunslingin' Favre made a hall of fame career out of throwing both. He got away with it more often than not because of his gun. If we go with Keenum, I sure hope our popgun gunslinger holds up to against defenses who will have a year of him on film. 

I wonder how much value that film study will be with a new OC? Sure, Keenum will have the same shortcomings, but I'd hope Flipper would put him in position to accentuate his strengths and mitigate his weaknesses. Plus, he'll have Cook...I don't think that can be underestimated....

All QBs will have Cook. Imagine what Flip could do if he doesn't have to mitigate shortcomings and weaknesses all day long.  

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OK, I watched all the passes. Teddy did not look very good. There were some drops, but too often his passes took forever to reach the receiver. By the time they did, a previously open receiver was no longer open. They say his arm has gotten stronger.  I hope so.  And too many of those passes were thrown into tight double coverage or had almost no chance to be caught in bounds. His side-arm passing motion sure does not inspire confidence, either. I was much less impressed with that film than was the author of the article.  Curiously, he seemed to be under less pressure than Keenum was on many of his passes this year. But I agree that Teddy's receivers were nowhere close to what Case had.
I thought the best thing about the film was the way Teddy moved in the pocket and avoided pass rushers.  He looked quick and elusive and he kept his eyes downfield. That was very positive.  Can he still do that after the knee injury?
The coaching staff saw Teddy in practice last year and should have a pretty good idea of his arm strength and mobility.  Not sure if that helps DeFelippo at all. But he knows Bradford and saw plenty of Keenum last year. He can watch practice film and talk to Stefanski about Teddy. I'm prepared to trust the coaches. They are not always right, but they know what is at stake on this decision.

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I thought he looked noticeably stronger than Case,  and Teddy actually could have benefitted by taking a page out of Cases play book and put a little more air under some of those throws. ( not punt hang time like some of Cases throws were, but a little more air for receiver to be able to make an adjustment on) One thing to keep in mind is a lot of those throws were in very predictable situations as Norv didnt use much creativity early in the downs)  I have a hard time taking to much from that video good or bad as that season was such a mess offensively and only being Teddys second season.

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keep in mind that was a video of all the throws he struggled with(87 of them) so it naturally did not show the best throws he has made or capable of making.  It like the low light video rather than high light.   Perspective is needed, if that is the worst he has to offer as a22/23 year old QB lacking weapons it seems it should be intriguing to fans to find out where he is now at 25 with a better supporting cast and system.