This is just Snyder being petty. He and the Redskins lost and they know it. They won't end up tagging & trading Cousins for a variety of reasons:
1. The cap which most people seem to be caught up on. From the Redskins point of view, they can't hold $34M on the cap for a QB they have no intention of keeping. No team is going to give up anything of value for that contract either. With $34M guaranteed for 2018 that'd become the starting point for a new contract extension. A new team will pay up but won't negotiate when the player has all the leverage.
2. The CBA also has explicit language that the franchise tag must be used with "the intention of retaining a player long-term" . So Cousins and the NFLPA would likely challenge the Redskins intent all together since they're clearly not trying to retain him after the Alex Smith acquisition.
3. Kirk's right on the tag. This is the one area where Kirk could really make the Redskins life hard. You can't trade a player who isn't under contract and Cousins wouldn't officially be under contract until he signs the franchise tag. That doesn't have to happen for a number of months. In the meantime they'd have to carry the $34M cap hit unless they opted to pull back the tag.
Anyone who thinks about this rationally will realize that its highly unlikely Washington tags him. But the Redskins aren't exactly known for being a stand up organization.
Quote: @"Geoff Nichols" said:
This is just Snyder being petty. He and the Redskins lost and they know it. They won't end up tagging & trading Cousins for a variety of reasons:
1. The cap which most people seem to be caught up on. From the Redskins point of view, they can't hold $34M on the cap for a QB they have no intention of keeping. No team is going to give up anything of value for that contract either. With $34M guaranteed for 2018 that'd become the starting point for a new contract extension. A new team will pay up but won't negotiate when the player has all the leverage.
2. The CBA also has explicit language that the franchise tag must be used with "the intention of retaining a player long-term" . So Cousins and the NFLPA would likely challenge the Redskins intent all together since they're clearly not trying to retain him after the Alex Smith acquisition.
3. Kirk's right on the tag. This is the one area where Kirk could really make the Redskins life hard. You can't trade a player who isn't under contract and Cousins wouldn't officially be under contract until he signs the franchise tag. That doesn't have to happen for a number of months. In the meantime they'd have to carry the $34M cap hit unless they opted to pull back the tag.
Anyone who thinks about this rationally will realize that its highly unlikely Washington tags him. But the Redskins aren't exactly known for being a stand up organization.
I think it is a pitiful attempt at trying to show they still have control.
As you stated, the cap hold would cripple them in free agency. They also have to execute the trade with Kansas City and extend Smith. If they renege on that deal then Snyder will not be too popular amongst owners. I cannot see them backing out of the trade just to try and hold some leverage on Cousins.
If Cousins and Smith are in the cap then they will not be able to extend Trent Murphy, Zach Brown, Bashaud Breeland, Spencer Long, Dustin Hopkins, and some other free agents they probably want to keep.
These players will not wait until the Cousins situation is resolved once free agency starts. That money dries up fast and they were going to want to get paid.
Plus, they could be soured on the organization because of this entire mess.
The worst part is that if they tag him and rescind it then they will not get a compensatory pick (if I am not mistaken). That would be too funny.
They should just be happy with the most likely 3rd round pick they get next year.
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
Quote: @SmashmouthD said:
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
thats what I was thinking. sure they could trade you to the browns for a year, but you hold a lot of leverage and could really make them uncomfortable for that last year.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ SmashmouthD said:
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
thats what I was thinking. sure they could trade you to the browns for a year, but you hold a lot of leverage and could really make them uncomfortable for that last year.
He definitely should NOT sign it immediately.
First, he wants out and everyone knows they do not have the cap space to do it.
Second, he is more than likely going to get 50 mil guaranteed from a team that signs him (I hope it is the Vikings) plus another 20 to 40 guaranteed for injury.
So, if I were his agent, I would say do not sign it.
They will rescind it and then you will get more guaranteed from an organization that actually wants you.
Worst case is that they truly have gone completely mental and then you do sign it and get the 34 mil for 2018 to be there.
But, he should wait them out. At least I would.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ SmashmouthD said:
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
thats what I was thinking. sure they could trade you to the browns for a year, but you hold a lot of leverage and could really make them uncomfortable for that last year.
He definitely should NOT sign it immediately.
First, he wants out and everyone knows they do not have the cap space to do it.
Second, he is more than likely going to get 50 mil guaranteed from a team that signs him (I hope it is the Vikings) plus another 20 to 40 guaranteed for injury.
So, if I were his agent, I would say do not sign it.
They will rescind it and then you will get more guaranteed from an organization that actually wants you.
Worst case is that they truly have gone completely mental and then you do sign it and get the 34 mil for 2018 to be there.
But, he should wait them out. At least I would.
i was thinking from a stick it to daniel position. why not screw him back since he was trying to screw you? no way that the skins would sit on that contract, they would trade the contract and likely have to pay a portion of that 34 million to get somebody to take it. he could still work an extension with a ton of guaranteed money, but at least the skins would be twisting a while.
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ SmashmouthD said:
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
thats what I was thinking. sure they could trade you to the browns for a year, but you hold a lot of leverage and could really make them uncomfortable for that last year.
He definitely should NOT sign it immediately.
First, he wants out and everyone knows they do not have the cap space to do it.
Second, he is more than likely going to get 50 mil guaranteed from a team that signs him (I hope it is the Vikings) plus another 20 to 40 guaranteed for injury.
So, if I were his agent, I would say do not sign it.
They will rescind it and then you will get more guaranteed from an organization that actually wants you.
Worst case is that they truly have gone completely mental and then you do sign it and get the 34 mil for 2018 to be there.
But, he should wait them out. At least I would.
I don't think so. Why would the Browns trade resources for a pissed-off QB that isn't obligated to sign with you long-term, and could just leave in a year? They wouldn't.
Or, if Washington does sign him, Cousins signs the tag, takes the $34 million for one year, then he signs for the $50 million in contract guarantees the following year. So it's $50 million this year, vs. $34 million this year and $50 million next year.
Honestly, this is all just an academic discussion. Washington will not tag him, precisely because there is more to be lost than gained.
sounds like i need to become cousins with cousins with all these numbers floating around
Quote: @SmashmouthD said:
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
If Cousins took that approach, could the Redskins still void the trade for Alex Smith? It isn't official until the league year starts, so they may have an out.
Quote: @Jor-El said:
@ SmashmouthD said:
If I'm Cousins and someone tags me for $34 million for one year, I sign that shit immediately. Immediately.
Then, refuse to sign a long-term deal with any other franchise. Make those a-holes pay you $34 million to sit on the bench. Or, they cut you, pay you the $34 million, and then sign with whomever you want. Double-dip, baby.
Washington would have no leverage whatsoever.
If Cousins took that approach, could the Redskins still void the trade for Alex Smith? It isn't official until the league year starts, so they may have an out.
I dont think they can tag him until after the league year starts so they will already be in the shit.
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