Quote: @greediron said:
@ Riphawkins said:
He had 7 INT’s in the regular season and 0 fumbles. I’m not sure he is as bad as the writer wants us to believe. How much more can he cut back without becoming Check Down Charlie?
Moderation doesn't sell newspapers (or generate clicks). So no he isn't as bad as all that.
But there is good risk and bad risk in plays. That play where he danced for about 10 seconds and then threw back across the field to a covered Diggs was not a good risk. It worked, but oh my did that bring flashbacks. The INT was not a good risk.
Most of the other plays were good risks. Thielen, Wright, Diggs all made good plays to capitalize on those throws. So I like Case. I like his moxie and leadership. Seems the guys are really buying into him as the leader of the team.
I didnt have any issue with that throw to Diggs, he set his feet and made a throw, it really was no more risky than if he was in the pocket and threw a pass to down the left sideline. that throw across the body thing gets taken to far sometimes IMO.... good vs bad depends on a lot of things beside where the ball is thrown from in relation to where it ends up.
Case is a school yard gunslinger, he's will live and die by playing that way. He's had the benefit of good players around him (WR making great catches and RB's turning dump offs into first down) and a fair amount of luck. But to be a champion you need all of that-smarts, risks, and luck.
The question is how repeatable is it long term and will he be as successful if the team around him isn't as good/lucky? He
s been saddled with poor teams so far in his career but it could also be said he didn't 'elevate' the talent that was there-that may be on him or the coaches. Those are all questions that will get some answers in the offseason, I just hope the mix of guts, risk, and luck holds out for a few more weeks.
Zim says the thing he likes most about Case is his "Big Balls". Pretty sure that has to do with observing the results when taking risks than watching him shower.
Case is will be Case, and I don't think the stage is too big for him. The guy is a competetor, and he doesn't seem to get easily rattled. The Vikes OLine needs to give him time, then he'll be fine.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
risky plays are what makes him succeed, its not the risky plays he needs to limit at all, its the boneheaded one here or there that we would like to see eliminated, get rid of the once in a while ill advised throw like last Sundays pick and his decision making is pretty damn good.
what is the difference between risky and boneheaded plays? other then the outcome??
Quote: @HappyViking said:
Zim says the thing he likes most about Case is his "Big Balls". Pretty sure that has to do with observing the results when taking risks than watching him shower.
Case is will be Case, and I don't think the stage is too big for him. The guy is a competetor, and he doesn't seem to get easily rattled. The Vikes OLine needs to give him time, then he'll be fine.
that last part is something very few OLines have done for their QBs against philly this year. they can destroy pockets and disrupt the passing game. Case will have to rely on his feet to extend plays, like he has done all year, if he wants/needs more time.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
risky plays are what makes him succeed, its not the risky plays he needs to limit at all, its the boneheaded one here or there that we would like to see eliminated, get rid of the once in a while ill advised throw like last Sundays pick and his decision making is pretty damn good.
what is the difference between risky and boneheaded plays? other then the outcome??
throwing to a double covered receiver... risky but doable in the right situations
throwing the ball up for grabs to avoid a sack... boneheaded
throwing the ball into a tight window... risky
throwing the ball off your back foot and floating it over the middle at any time... boneheaded.
risky I would say is when the odds are basically 50/50, boneheaded are trying to make a throw where the odds are certainly not in your favor unless the game situation dictates it. ( up by 17...not one of those instances)
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
risky plays are what makes him succeed, its not the risky plays he needs to limit at all, its the boneheaded one here or there that we would like to see eliminated, get rid of the once in a while ill advised throw like last Sundays pick and his decision making is pretty damn good.
what is the difference between risky and boneheaded plays? other then the outcome??
the inherent risk vs potential reward. Cost/benefit, preserving a lead vs trying to win on the last play-what is boneheaded for the former is necessary for the latter. Situational awareness.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ Riphawkins said:
He had 7 INT’s in the regular season and 0 fumbles. I’m not sure he is as bad as the writer wants us to believe. How much more can he cut back without becoming Check Down Charlie?
Moderation doesn't sell newspapers (or generate clicks). So no he isn't as bad as all that.
But there is good risk and bad risk in plays. That play where he danced for about 10 seconds and then threw back across the field to a covered Diggs was not a good risk. It worked, but oh my did that bring flashbacks. The INT was not a good risk.
Most of the other plays were good risks. Thielen, Wright, Diggs all made good plays to capitalize on those throws. So I like Case. I like his moxie and leadership. Seems the guys are really buying into him as the leader of the team.
I didnt have any issue with that throw to Diggs, he set his feet and made a throw, it really was no more risky than if he was in the pocket and threw a pass to down the left sideline. that throw across the body thing gets taken to far sometimes IMO.... good vs bad depends on a lot of things beside where the ball is thrown from in relation to where it ends up.
I believe there were 3 defenders there. Luckily, Diggs wanted the ball more than Rice did.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ greediron said:
@ Riphawkins said:
He had 7 INT’s in the regular season and 0 fumbles. I’m not sure he is as bad as the writer wants us to believe. How much more can he cut back without becoming Check Down Charlie?
Moderation doesn't sell newspapers (or generate clicks). So no he isn't as bad as all that.
But there is good risk and bad risk in plays. That play where he danced for about 10 seconds and then threw back across the field to a covered Diggs was not a good risk. It worked, but oh my did that bring flashbacks. The INT was not a good risk.
Most of the other plays were good risks. Thielen, Wright, Diggs all made good plays to capitalize on those throws. So I like Case. I like his moxie and leadership. Seems the guys are really buying into him as the leader of the team.
I didnt have any issue with that throw to Diggs, he set his feet and made a throw, it really was no more risky than if he was in the pocket and threw a pass to down the left sideline. that throw across the body thing gets taken to far sometimes IMO.... good vs bad depends on a lot of things beside where the ball is thrown from in relation to where it ends up.
I believe there were 3 defenders there. Luckily, Diggs wanted the ball more than Rice did.
without seeing the play again i cant really argue to much, but I dont remember it being much of a jump ball, i was thinking that Diggs had position and the other defenders were not in position to make the play.
I personally think he’s the type of QB that everyone wanted for a while. There have been so many posts bashing Ponder, Bridgewater, and Bradford for not taking a risk and throwing the ball up there and letting recievers make a play. Also known as trusting the WR.
Some of those are going to turn out bad. However, I’ll take a guy who is willing to do that and who makes a boneheaded play once in a while over the guy who consistently throws 3 yards short of the first down.
I think people are asking for perfection when no QB is perfect. I say watch enough Patriots games and you’ll have the WTF moments with Brady too.
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