Why would it matter that Shurmur already had a HC shot? A lot of the top coaches in the NFL - Belichick, Carroll, Caldwell, others - were losers in their first head coaching jobs, went away, and came back smarter and much more ready to succeed. That was one of my key concerns about Zimmer: we had to live through rookie coach mistakes. It looks like he has figured out a lot of his weaknesses, but some coaches seem to need a failure (and firing) to season them.
There is still a lot of season left, but smart owners are going to notice him, especially if he continues to succeed with Keenum and Murray instead of Bradford and Cook. I don't know if he will be a "hot candidate" but "hot" guys are not necessarily the best.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
I said this last week, and I'm betting he takes Keenum with him unless there is already an established vet QB, but those teams usually don't struggle enough to make coaching changes.
Good point, that's a worry if Shurmur leaves. Count McKinnon among the 2018 flight risks, as well.
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Why would it matter that Shurmur already had a HC shot? A lot of the top coaches in the NFL - Belichick, Carroll, Caldwell, others - were losers in their first head coaching jobs, went away, and came back smarter and much more ready to succeed. That was one of my key concerns about Zimmer: we had to live through rookie coach mistakes. It looks like he has figured out a lot of his weaknesses, but some coaches seem to need a failure (and firing) to season them.
There is still a lot of season left, but smart owners are going to notice him, especially if he continues to succeed with Keenum and Murray instead of Bradford and Cook. I don't know if he will be a "hot candidate" but "hot" guys are not necessarily the best.
@ JimmyinSD said:
I said this last week, and I'm betting he takes Keenum with him unless there is already an established vet QB, but those teams usually don't struggle enough to make coaching changes.
Good point, that's a worry if Shurmur leaves. Count McKinnon among the 2018 flight risks, as well.
remember when Chilly was the hot candidate?
Quote: @Jor-El said:
Why would it matter that Shurmur already had a HC shot? A lot of the top coaches in the NFL - Belichick, Carroll, Caldwell, others - were losers in their first head coaching jobs, went away, and came back smarter and much more ready to succeed. That was one of my key concerns about Zimmer: we had to live through rookie coach mistakes. It looks like he has figured out a lot of his weaknesses, but some coaches seem to need a failure (and firing) to season them.
There is still a lot of season left, but smart owners are going to notice him, especially if he continues to succeed with Keenum and Murray instead of Bradford and Cook. I don't know if he will be a "hot candidate" but "hot" guys are not necessarily the best.
@ JimmyinSD said:
I said this last week, and I'm betting he takes Keenum with him unless there is already an established vet QB, but those teams usually don't struggle enough to make coaching changes.
Good point, that's a worry if Shurmur leaves. Count McKinnon among the 2018 flight risks, as well.
Yup, this is what I think too...I mean...if Jeff Fisher can get 2 HC shots I think Shurmur can too. I sure don't want the guy to go AT ALL, but I'd think depending on what came his way he'd want to be a HC again. I do think the Bears are a possibility. They are very familiar with us and Fox is not getting it done. They have a team that just needs the right leadership.
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@ Jor-El said:
Why would it matter that Shurmur already had a HC shot? A lot of the top coaches in the NFL - Belichick, Carroll, Caldwell, others - were losers in their first head coaching jobs, went away, and came back smarter and much more ready to succeed. That was one of my key concerns about Zimmer: we had to live through rookie coach mistakes. It looks like he has figured out a lot of his weaknesses, but some coaches seem to need a failure (and firing) to season them.
There is still a lot of season left, but smart owners are going to notice him, especially if he continues to succeed with Keenum and Murray instead of Bradford and Cook. I don't know if he will be a "hot candidate" but "hot" guys are not necessarily the best.
@ JimmyinSD said:
I said this last week, and I'm betting he takes Keenum with him unless there is already an established vet QB, but those teams usually don't struggle enough to make coaching changes.
Good point, that's a worry if Shurmur leaves. Count McKinnon among the 2018 flight risks, as well.
Yup, this is what I think too...I mean...if Jeff Fisher can get 2 HC shots I think Shurmur can too. I sure don't want the guy to go AT ALL, but I'd think depending on what came his way he'd want to be a HC again. I do think the Bears are a possibility. They are very familiar with us and Fox is not getting it done. They have a team that just needs the right leadership.
now I could see the bears being a job to pass on unless you like trubisky. i doubt ownership is ready to move on from him already and by taking that job you would likely be handcuffing yourself to their QB and not being able to bring in your own.
Quote: @prairieghost said:
@ Jor-El said:
Why would it matter that Shurmur already had a HC shot? A lot of the top coaches in the NFL - Belichick, Carroll, Caldwell, others - were losers in their first head coaching jobs, went away, and came back smarter and much more ready to succeed. That was one of my key concerns about Zimmer: we had to live through rookie coach mistakes. It looks like he has figured out a lot of his weaknesses, but some coaches seem to need a failure (and firing) to season them.
There is still a lot of season left, but smart owners are going to notice him, especially if he continues to succeed with Keenum and Murray instead of Bradford and Cook. I don't know if he will be a "hot candidate" but "hot" guys are not necessarily the best.
@ JimmyinSD said:
I said this last week, and I'm betting he takes Keenum with him unless there is already an established vet QB, but those teams usually don't struggle enough to make coaching changes.
Good point, that's a worry if Shurmur leaves. Count McKinnon among the 2018 flight risks, as well.
Yup, this is what I think too...I mean...if Jeff Fisher can get 2 HC shots I think Shurmur can too. I sure don't want the guy to go AT ALL, but I'd think depending on what came his way he'd want to be a HC again. I do think the Bears are a possibility. They are very familiar with us and Fox is not getting it done. They have a team that just needs the right leadership.
I really overestimated Fox's ability due to Denver's relative success, and it worried me when the Bears hired him. He's not going to last, ownership has not been behind him since last spring when they moved up to get Trubisky. I don't want to see Shurmur there either.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ prairieghost said:
@ Jor-El said:
Why would it matter that Shurmur already had a HC shot? A lot of the top coaches in the NFL - Belichick, Carroll, Caldwell, others - were losers in their first head coaching jobs, went away, and came back smarter and much more ready to succeed. That was one of my key concerns about Zimmer: we had to live through rookie coach mistakes. It looks like he has figured out a lot of his weaknesses, but some coaches seem to need a failure (and firing) to season them.
There is still a lot of season left, but smart owners are going to notice him, especially if he continues to succeed with Keenum and Murray instead of Bradford and Cook. I don't know if he will be a "hot candidate" but "hot" guys are not necessarily the best.
@ JimmyinSD said:
I said this last week, and I'm betting he takes Keenum with him unless there is already an established vet QB, but those teams usually don't struggle enough to make coaching changes.
Good point, that's a worry if Shurmur leaves. Count McKinnon among the 2018 flight risks, as well.
Yup, this is what I think too...I mean...if Jeff Fisher can get 2 HC shots I think Shurmur can too. I sure don't want the guy to go AT ALL, but I'd think depending on what came his way he'd want to be a HC again. I do think the Bears are a possibility. They are very familiar with us and Fox is not getting it done. They have a team that just needs the right leadership.
now I could see the bears being a job to pass on unless you like trubisky. i doubt ownership is ready to move on from him already and by taking that job you would likely be handcuffing yourself to their QB and not being able to bring in your own.
Agree Jimmy, it would be dependent on his feelings about Trubisky definitely. But there are some good things that are in place in Chicago. I'm definitely not saying it will happen ( and definitely PRAY we get to keep our coaching staff intact for another season), but I guess I'm just saying I wouldn't be totally shocked.
The Bears organization is in a mess. Ownership is cheap, old, stubborn, and not exactly forward thinking. The GM is skating on thin ice, and have a lot of holes to fill on that roster. Of course that can probably be said for any team looking to replace their HC. lol.
But it really seems like the chic thing to do these days is hire the up and coming coach like the Rams, 49ers, Dolphins, etc. Pretty sure that model really started with Tomlin. Gone are the days of hiring retreads (not that Shurmur is), but it sure looks like the NFL wants to get younger at the management position.
This is the first time in a long time I haven't wanted to strangle the OC. Creativity, balance, rhythm...we've got to do what it takes to either keep Shurmur or keep his offense.
Rumor has it, the Browns may be looking... 
If I were Ziggy, I'd pay him a substantial amount of money for the next couple years to not leave for a HC job. It might be overpaying, but I think it'd be worth it.
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