Quote: @greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
He's an average CB with elite physical ability. He'll put his nose in there in the run game. B ut Waynes will never live up to that great potential. We could have it worse in that spot.
pretty dogmatic statement. Two years ago the same could have been said about Rhodes. Didn't turn his head and look for the ball. Too handsy, wasn't living up to the potential. Now look where he is.
Of course its dogmatic...but its opinion. But just because one guy (Rhodes) evolved means what exactly? That its possible? Sure. Probable? No. Anything is possible. That doesn't mean we can't have strong opinions on the current and historical state of Trae Waynes as a Viking. I'm not a Waynes hater, but not every player is going to pan out to what they could be. In fact, the odds are better that he won't considering where he is right now.
I think the better money is on Trae progressing rather than saying he has hit his ceiling because well.... We have a coach that is known for bringing along defensive backs.
given the coaching and his abilities, I would say the odds are good that he will be a lock down CB.
Quote: @greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Anyone defending passing on Peter's for Wayne's is drinking a lot of kool aid.
Zimmer could have worked with Peters, molded him just fine. Smells like passing on Marcus Allen for Darrin Nelson cause Darrin was more "all purpose back" vs "pure runner"
If marcus allen was either a fumble or TD type of back. This isn't even close to that. Why do you assume Zimmer would have been able to mold him if other coaches haven't been able to? Perhaps Trae had the personality and talent that Zimmer was looking for.
Not a stretch to think Zimm could have molded a pro-bowl corner.
We're not going to hit a home run on everyone and lord knows I'm not perfect. But when you have a chance to take the #1 corner in a draft, you'd better make it the right choice. They did not and passed on a pro-bowler for an average, pedestrian corner who can run fast.
Dont think too many Chiefs fans would swap Waynes for Peters right now. We'll see if Waynes gets his 5th year from the Vikings or not. I'd put it at 50/50 right now.
Rhodes man is rarely targeted, and we have the #4 defense. But damnit check out the shade of green on that other guys lawn.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Anyone defending passing on Peter's for Wayne's is drinking a lot of kool aid.
Zimmer could have worked with Peters, molded him just fine. Smells like passing on Marcus Allen for Darrin Nelson cause Darrin was more "all purpose back" vs "pure runner"
If marcus allen was either a fumble or TD type of back. This isn't even close to that. Why do you assume Zimmer would have been able to mold him if other coaches haven't been able to? Perhaps Trae had the personality and talent that Zimmer was looking for.
Not a stretch to think Zimm could have molded a pro-bowl corner.
We're not going to hit a home run on everyone and lord knows I'm not perfect. But when you have a chance to take the #1 corner in a draft, you'd better make it the right choice. They did not and passed on a pro-bowler for an average, pedestrian corner who can run fast.
Dont think too many Chiefs fans would swap Waynes for Peters right now . We'll see if Waynes gets his 5th year from the Vikings or not. I'd put it at 50/50 right now.
i would put it at closer to 98/2. Most fans probably don't know who Waynes is because he is talked about so little. Peters makes splash plays, Waynes plays a role on a great defense.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Anyone defending passing on Peter's for Wayne's is drinking a lot of kool aid.
Zimmer could have worked with Peters, molded him just fine. Smells like passing on Marcus Allen for Darrin Nelson cause Darrin was more "all purpose back" vs "pure runner"
If marcus allen was either a fumble or TD type of back. This isn't even close to that. Why do you assume Zimmer would have been able to mold him if other coaches haven't been able to? Perhaps Trae had the personality and talent that Zimmer was looking for.
Not a stretch to think Zimm could have molded a pro-bowl corner.
We're not going to hit a home run on everyone and lord knows I'm not perfect. But when you have a chance to take the #1 corner in a draft, you'd better make it the right choice. They did not and passed on a pro-bowler for an average, pedestrian corner who can run fast.
Dont think too many Chiefs fans would swap Waynes for Peters right now. We'll see if Waynes gets his 5th year from the Vikings or not. I'd put it at 50/50 right now.
Not accurate. I don't have the DirectTV and have to watch most games at bars in KC. Let me tell you, about a third of the time when I hear the crowd groan it's because Peters just gambled on a pick and got burned.
He's also far from the shutdown Corner casual observers would like to believe and will absolutely committed selfish Personal Fouls no matter the game situation.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Anyone defending passing on Peter's for Wayne's is drinking a lot of kool aid.
Zimmer could have worked with Peters, molded him just fine. Smells like passing on Marcus Allen for Darrin Nelson cause Darrin was more "all purpose back" vs "pure runner"
If marcus allen was either a fumble or TD type of back. This isn't even close to that. Why do you assume Zimmer would have been able to mold him if other coaches haven't been able to? Perhaps Trae had the personality and talent that Zimmer was looking for.
Not a stretch to think Zimm could have molded a pro-bowl corner.
We're not going to hit a home run on everyone and lord knows I'm not perfect. But when you have a chance to take the #1 corner in a draft, you'd better make it the right choice. They did not and passed on a pro-bowler for an average, pedestrian corner who can run fast.
Dont think too many Chiefs fans would swap Waynes for Peters right now. We'll see if Waynes gets his 5th year from the Vikings or not. I'd put it at 50/50 right now.
Not accurate. I don't have the DirectTV and have to watch most games at bars in KC. Let me tell you, about a third of the time when I hear the crowd groan it's because Peters just gambled on a pick and got burned.
He's also far from the shutdown Corner casual observers would like to believe and will absolutely committed selfish Personal Fouls no matter the game situation.
Cecil Fielder would be a better comparison than Marcus Allen.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Anyone defending passing on Peter's for Wayne's is drinking a lot of kool aid.
Zimmer could have worked with Peters, molded him just fine. Smells like passing on Marcus Allen for Darrin Nelson cause Darrin was more "all purpose back" vs "pure runner"
If marcus allen was either a fumble or TD type of back. This isn't even close to that. Why do you assume Zimmer would have been able to mold him if other coaches haven't been able to? Perhaps Trae had the personality and talent that Zimmer was looking for.
Not a stretch to think Zimm could have molded a pro-bowl corner.
We're not going to hit a home run on everyone and lord knows I'm not perfect. But when you have a chance to take the #1 corner in a draft, you'd better make it the right choice. They did not and passed on a pro-bowler for an average, pedestrian corner who can run fast.
Dont think too many Chiefs fans would swap Waynes for Peters right now. We'll see if Waynes gets his 5th year from the Vikings or not. I'd put it at 50/50 right now.
Not accurate. I don't have the DirectTV and have to watch most games at bars in KC. Let me tell you, about a third of the time when I hear the crowd groan it's because Peters just gambled on a pick and got burned.
He's also far from the shutdown Corner casual observers would like to believe and will absolutely committed selfish Personal Fouls no matter the game situation.
Quote: @FSUVike said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ greediron said:
@ purplefaithful said:
Anyone defending passing on Peter's for Wayne's is drinking a lot of kool aid.
Zimmer could have worked with Peters, molded him just fine. Smells like passing on Marcus Allen for Darrin Nelson cause Darrin was more "all purpose back" vs "pure runner"
If marcus allen was either a fumble or TD type of back. This isn't even close to that. Why do you assume Zimmer would have been able to mold him if other coaches haven't been able to? Perhaps Trae had the personality and talent that Zimmer was looking for.
Not a stretch to think Zimm could have molded a pro-bowl corner.
We're not going to hit a home run on everyone and lord knows I'm not perfect. But when you have a chance to take the #1 corner in a draft, you'd better make it the right choice. They did not and passed on a pro-bowler for an average, pedestrian corner who can run fast.
Dont think too many Chiefs fans would swap Waynes for Peters right now. We'll see if Waynes gets his 5th year from the Vikings or not. I'd put it at 50/50 right now.
Not accurate. I don't have the DirectTV and have to watch most games at bars in KC. Let me tell you, about a third of the time when I hear the crowd groan it's because Peters just gambled on a pick and got burned.
He's also far from the shutdown Corner casual observers would like to believe and will absolutely committed selfish Personal Fouls no matter the game situation.
I saw Peter's get burned and another PI vs the Raiders last week. He didn't look very good to me. I think it is a case of the grass is always greener like mike indicated. I don't think Peter's and Waynes are that far apart and wouldn't be surprised if Waynes ends up having a better career.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ greediron said:
@ StickyBun said:
He's an average CB with elite physical ability. He'll put his nose in there in the run game. B ut Waynes will never live up to that great potential. We could have it worse in that spot.
pretty dogmatic statement. Two years ago the same could have been said about Rhodes. Didn't turn his head and look for the ball. Too handsy, wasn't living up to the potential. Now look where he is.
Of course its dogmatic...but its opinion. But just because one guy (Rhodes) evolved means what exactly? That its possible? Sure. Probable? No. Anything is possible. That doesn't mean we can't have strong opinions on the current and historical state of Trae Waynes as a Viking. I'm not a Waynes hater, but not every player is going to pan out to what they could be. In fact, the odds are better that he won't considering where he is right now.
Consistent from Sticky - he makes up his mind on a player within a year or 2 - doesn't think they can get better, I guess. Already think Waynes has reached his peak with his first year starting in a Top 5 Defense. Just like think Treadwell is a bust in his second season.
I have seen numerous players, both vets and young, get better with better coaching like from Zimmer and staff - guys like Captain, Sandejo, Rhodes, Barr is tackling better this season, and the list goes on but posters can have an opinion of course but I tend towards the whole year 3 threshold to gauge before I throw a player away. This is Waynes 3rd year but first year starting. He struggled some the first two games but has settled-in very nicely and he is one of the Top 3 defenses and of course he is going to get picked on more then Rhodes - Rhodes is Top 3 CB's in the NFL right now - so Waynes is going to be tested early and often. I'll wait until the end of this year, year 3, to gauge Waynes in terms of progress but guys can get better at their jobs with more time.
That said, Year 4 (next year) we will really have to gauge what Waynes if worth, in our system, to determine 5th year option. The 5th year option and being a pick in the teens would value him at the Top 10 to 20 CB's in the NFL. That is where push comes to shove - cornerback pun intended.
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