Interesting observation about Kyler Murray

[supafreak84]

I think we can all agree Murray is the kind of quarterback you are going to have to scheme and be put in positions to make plays. Does anybody see him being successful in the KOC offense that was rammed down the throat of every quarterback who took a snap for us last season? There's no fucking way. If you are going to ask Murray to throw the ball 35 times a game from the pocket, with a minimal running game, and an offensive line that routinely can't escape the injury bug, you are asking for disaster IMO. I would love to hear from "the whisperer" on just how he is going to put Murray in situations to be successful when the only ones to ever be successful in his scheme are the traditional, big, pocket passers who can stand in and deliver on the deep shots or chunk routes with accuracy that are the staple of the OConnell offense.

This is either going to be really good, or really bad, in which case OConnell is sent packing at the end of the season and I'll shed no tears over it. I've never seen a guy who's never won shit be given so much power over an organization.

[IceRatz16]

I'm not a fan of Murray's downfield throws.  They are lobs, hospital balls, and ripe for picks.  He has the mobility for sure and is a little waterbug.


I'm still rooting for McCarthy to beat him out.

[StickierBuns]

I'm not a fan of Murray's downfield throws.  They are lobs, hospital balls, and ripe for picks.  He has the mobility for sure and is a little waterbug.


I'm still rooting for McCarthy to beat him out.

This is what I was alluding to somewhat in my original post. That completion percentage that the Murray camp is hanging their hat on is mostly on short completions and good YAC. Its not Uncle Sammy standing tall in the pocket and launching 25 yard darts and eating up big chunks. And Mike Zimmer would definitely be throwing out the ol' horseshoe quote after watching about 5 games of game video on him.

We've seen other guys succeed after failing (Darnold, Mayfield, etc.), so its not impossible Murray rocks it. But at the same time, you have to be cognizant of why Arizona gave up on the #1 overall pick in the Draft and its no guarantee. Be mindful as the national media hypes the living shit out of it.

[MaroonBells]

This is what I was alluding to somewhat in my original post. That completion percentage that the Murray camp is hanging their hat on is mostly on short completions and good YAC. Its not Uncle Sammy standing tall in the pocket and launching 25 yard darts and eating up big chunks. And Mike Zimmer would definitely be throwing out the ol' horseshoe quote after watching about 5 games of game video on him.

We've seen other guys succeed after failing (Darnold, Mayfield, etc.), so its not impossible Murray rocks it. But at the same time, you have to be cognizant of why Arizona gave up on the #1 overall pick in the Draft and its no guarantee. Be mindful as the national media hypes the living shit out of it.

If you look at the numbers, how Murray does on deep passes depends a lot on who his deep receivers are. His deep passing numbers were good with Deandre Hopkins. When he left, the Cardinals drafted Trey McBride and their game shortened up. They drafted Marvin Harrison Jr to bring it back and he's been a near bust.

[supafreak84]

If you look at the numbers, how Murray does on deep passes depends a lot on who his deep receivers are. His deep passing numbers were good with Deandre Hopkins. When he left, the Cardinals drafted Trey McBride and their game shortened up. They drafted Marvin Harrison Jr to bring it back and he's been a near bust.

....or will Harrison's numbers go up now with a more traditional pocket passer getting him the ball? Again, over the last four seasons, Murray ranks dead last in completion percentage on passes over 25+ yards. In fairness to Murray, he's missed a lot of time due to injury in two of those seasons, but still, how is Murray going to be successful in an offense that's staple is chunk down the field pass plays? If OConnell wouldn't deviate from what he wanted to run with McCarthy, why would he change for Murray? To me, this is the biggest storyline heading into next season

[FourCornersViking]

The biggest problem last year with the run game was the woes of the offensive line involving injuries along with poor performances. The offensive line had a whopping 26 different combinations during the season. Hopefully, with Darrisaw recovering from his knee injury and another year removed with Fries' broken leg, their performances will be a lot better.
Supa mentioned KOC desire to throw the ball deep down field for large chunks of yardage, this is probably his way to keep the safeties from cheating up to the line of scrimmage in order to make the run game a little more successful. Really didn't work that well, but again our offensive line was really lacking.
All the "Talking Heads" and "Media Hounds" already made Murray the starting quarterback and the spread the rumors of McCarthy being traded are plain stupid. Maybe Murray will start the season, but I bet McCarthy will finish it. Right now, JJ is in California working his ass off improving his mechanics and skillset and Murray probably haven't even touched a football.

[pattersaur]

Thats the first thought that came to my mind from Sticky's post...

What kind of offense will they run here?
Can KM stay healthy?
Can OL stay healthy?

However it unfolds, its probably safe to say Jettas will have more than 2 td's this season

Probably, but I woudn't be shocked if it's low again.

Trey McBride couldn't buy a touchdown for 3 years with Kyler (Brissett fixed that immediately).

Marvin Harrison Jr and Kyler also haven't lit it up like probably everyone in Arizona had hoped. 

Kyler Murray is a very odd and unique player.

[MaroonBells]

....or will Harrison's numbers go up now with a more traditional pocket passer getting him the ball? Again, over the last four seasons, Murray ranks dead last in completion percentage on passes over 25+ yards. In fairness to Murray, he's missed a lot of time due to injury in two of those seasons, but still, how is Murray going to be successful in an offense that's staple is chunk down the field pass plays? If OConnell wouldn't deviate from what he wanted to run with McCarthy, why would he change for Murray? To me, this is the biggest storyline heading into next season

You apparently haven't watched MHJ. When he was drafted I called him the most overrated WR in the 2024 draft. Ignoring my own draft instincts, I drafted him last year on my fantasy team and watched several of his games. He was objectively atrocious. Ugly drop after ugly drop, followed by rounded routes, followed by routes he simply stops running. I honestly haven't seen anything like it since Jalen Reagor.

[purplefaithful]

You apparently haven't watched MHJ. When he was drafted I called him the most overrated WR in the 2024 draft. Ignoring my own draft instincts, I drafted him last year on my fantasy team and watched several of his games. He was objectively atrocious. Ugly drop after ugly drop, followed by rounded routes, followed by routes he simply stops running. I honestly haven't seen anything like it since Jalen Reagor.

MHJ is a bit reminiscent of Wyatt Davis and him being from the Willie Davis tree...Except x3

[supafreak84]

You apparently haven't watched MHJ. When he was drafted I called him the most overrated WR in the 2024 draft. Ignoring my own draft instincts, I drafted him last year on my fantasy team and watched several of his games. He was objectively atrocious. Ugly drop after ugly drop, followed by rounded routes, followed by routes he simply stops running. I honestly haven't seen anything like it since Jalen Reagor.

Just like with Jefferson, you'd think his numbers would improve with more consistant QB play. He never got that with Murray, either by injury or otherwise. Harrison is still only 23 years old.