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(05-30-2025, 11:36 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Good move and really not one that was ever in question IMO. He hasn't been perfect (his first draft was the worst in our history). But the '23, '24 and '25 drafts look much better. Bottom line is that the good he's done with the roster and the culture far outweighs the bad.
This ^^^
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(05-30-2025, 10:54 AM)supafreak84 Wrote: I'm not going round and round on this, but there were better candidates based on resume, scouting acumen and overall NFL experience. The two finalists were Kwesi and a woman from Philly, who was also a VP of football operations with no scouting or actual personnel experience. So look at it through an honest lens and you tell me if there weren't other factors involved in what the Wilfs wanted in hiring their next GM after just shitcanning two old white dudes.
None of this ultimately matters though. KAM is our guy and we'll roll with him for the foreseeable future.
Well, it looks like Kwesi is here to stay for a while whether you agree with it or not...
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05-30-2025, 12:12 PM
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(05-30-2025, 11:36 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Good move and really not one that was ever in question IMO. He hasn't been perfect (his first draft was the worst in our history). But the '23, '24 and '25 drafts look much better. Bottom line is that the good he's done with the roster and the culture far outweighs the bad.
I can get on board with that assessment, even though I think outside of his first draft being the worst in team history and Addison being an excellent player, there's not a whole lot we can say about his drafts with any certainty to this point. It's the one big area he needs to continue to improve upon and I don't believe Grigson helps in that regard.
(05-30-2025, 12:10 PM)ArizonaViking Wrote: Well, it looks like Kwesi is here to stay for a while whether you agree with it or not...
Look, I'm rooting for Kwesi. I've been a long suffering fan just like the rest of us and want to see us win one, just one, before I'm gone from this planet. I think that's the great thing about this board and fans in general, we don't always have to agree on the same path to get there, but we all want to ultimately end up at the same destination.
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(05-30-2025, 12:12 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: I can get on board with that assessment, even though I think outside of his first draft being the worst in team history and Addison being an excellent player, there's not a whole lot we can say about his drafts with any certainty to this point. It's the one big area he needs to continue to improve upon and I don't believe Grigson helps in that regard.
Look, I'm rooting for Kwesi. I've been a long suffering fan just like the rest of us and want to see us win one, just one, before I'm gone from this planet. I think that's the great thing about this board and fans in general, we don't always have to agree on the same path to get there, but we all want to ultimately end up at the same destination.
I can certainly agree with that.
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There was no doubt KAM would be back -- I think ownership likes the vibe of the team and his relationship with KOC. Performance is another matter. His drafts have been remarkably bad (sorry but I am not sure I will ever forgive him for missing the easiest layup of all time by passing on Kyle Hamilton when safety was the team's biggest need, trading back to benefit a division rival and then selecting Lewis Cine), but his free agency moves have been among the best. Of course, free agency is a little easier when you have owners with big pockets; a salary cap savant; a player-friendly coaching staff; A+ facilities; and an offensive guru (KOC) and defensive coordinator (Flores) who make it easy to recruit. All-in, that puts him as a below average GM, with a lot riding on Dallas Turner and JJ McCarthy, as mentioned.
I hope the "learning curve" comment is correct and he is an ascending talent -- I certainly wish him the best.
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05-30-2025, 01:34 PM
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I'd have been more surprised if he'd left. I am unhappy with Grigson remaining in the org to that capacity.
Drafts have to turn-around, they just have to. Its not sustainable as is.
Hope he knocks it out of the park this contract.
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(05-30-2025, 01:34 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: I'd have been more surprised if he'd left. I am unhappy with Grigson remaining in the org to that capacity.
Drafts have to turn-around, they just have to. Its not sustainable as is.
Hope he knocks it out of the park this contract.
this is exactly where I am at. I havent thought more than a second about his contract as I never believed it was in any doubt. I also agree though that the draft has been shit, I understood the need last year to package for the extra first round pick to have the ammo to move up for "your guy" as the new QB, but when they didnt need to do that, then I question using even more picks to move up with that 2nd pick instead of letting the draft come to them, or even trading back down and recouping some of those picks. If Turner isnt a generational type player, I think you mark that down as failed draft move.
all thats said, congrats to KAM and I also hope we never have to question if he gets a 3rd contract.
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(05-30-2025, 10:54 AM)supafreak84 Wrote: I'm not going round and round on this, but there were better candidates based on resume, scouting acumen and overall NFL experience. The two finalists were Kwesi and a woman from Philly, who was also a VP of football operations with no scouting or actual personnel experience. So look at it through an honest lens and you tell me if there weren't other factors involved in what the Wilfs wanted in hiring their next GM after just shitcanning two old white dudes.
None of this ultimately matters though. KAM is our guy and we'll roll with him for the foreseeable future.
Your take on people with better resumes is valid 15-20 years ago, but not today. All leagues have shifted from the typical paths they expect of GMs and coaches. No longer are people expected to cut their teeth for decades moving through the standardized route to become GM or HC.
Everyone is moving towards analytics and younger people with fresh ideas over the old guard. People were pissed about KOC getting the job because he didn't spend 20 plus years as an assistant coach and coordinator before becoming a HC. Seemed to turn out okay.
As to your assumption that the only possible way a minority and female could be finalists is as a result of DEI. Perhaps the reality is many old whites in the NFL have little to no clue how to connect and thus manage today's players and coaches. And thus aren't getting jobs. See former HC being shit canned for total incompetence in interacting with young players as case in point.
Wilfs have clearly established they care a great deal about winning. Find it hard to believe they'd hire a GM solely for DEI brownie points at the risk of losing while also devaluing their franchise as a result of losing. Lol it's not like they sold more tickets by hiring a minority.
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This is good news, for the sake of our upward trajectory continuity.
Kwesi effectively said why it took so long...it was really on him not pushing hard to get it done, as he has been more focused on the day-to-day of his responsibilities. Plus it wasn't like it was urgent...
I think it is fair to say that we all make mistakes and that's how we grow. His 2022 draft, he has previously acknowledged he was trying to do too much and admitted that he whiffed. He's obviously learned and has not been shy about using all the roster-building tools at his disposal...the draft, free agency, UDFA, trades. And if you look at how the Wilf's have given him carte blanche to build the coaching and support staff (i.e. people now focusing on analytics and sports medicine/reducing injuries for example), I think that speaks volumes about the trust between them all.
In that business, we judge by results...if you can look at two 13-14 win seasons in your first three years on the job (sandwiched around a train wreck of QB injuries in 2023), I think the consensus here is that the combo of Kwesi and KOC is a good one.
Stability...how nice.
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If you trust the culture that KOC and KAM put in and now there's continuity, there's a reason Grigson is there. If you think that KOC and KAM are smart guys, than by association they've just given Grigson a promotion. Grigson has been summarily slapped down after getting too big for his britches in a corporate hierarchy, but why else do you think this happened? Its all about player evaluation.
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