First time I've not had a strong "want" in the Draft

[JustInTime]

Or the Maul of America

[MaroonBells]

Derrick Harmon is one of the first players I got excited about. But after signing Allen and Hargrave, that boner has died a little. Still love Shemar Stewart and Savion Williams, but the odds we'll be in a position to draft either is very low. If we had the first pick in this draft, I'd probably draft Jeanty. Top 10 pick, Barron. Among the positions of need that are realistic between 24 and 50, I'll put TreVeyon Henderson on my most wanted list.

[Canthony]

The guys I really want are later day guys. Savion Williams, RJ Harvey, Monheim, Castro and a few others. I’m fascinated by Knight. A bigger LB who can cover. SoCar walked him out to CB a few times. Would be great insurance if Cashman gets dinged again. 

CB is the closest we have to a “need” pick but I’m guessing we grab Griffin some time in July. Getting Martinez from Miami would send off serious Foreman vibes for me.

I am on board with wanting players later on. This draft is where teams set their future with how they draft in later rounds. I like Castro, but I like Malachi Moore a bit better, Both similar S that can play any position on the field. But I have to touch on Savion Williams as it gives me PTSD from the Patterson situation, which was yours and I downfall, and I didn't always handle things well 12 years ago. 

Savion scare the hell out of me. Physical freak. Hands are absolutely off. He has such a hard time locating the ball and making the catch. I mean, that is why you are a receiver. Nothing is natural with his catching ability and that leads to not being able to trust him. Maybe coaching can help with it. I have watched him being wide open and bounce off him. It is like Williamson meeting sasquatch. His route running is less than impressive as his breaks are sloppy. He is also a WR that can't block, which makes me wonder with his physical stature. So, I have to ask, what is your infatuation with him? To me, he seems like a bust of an NFL player with weaknesses like he has.

Why wouldn't you go with someone like Kyle Williams, who I like a ton. His route running needs a little refinement, but I think we have the staff that can work on that. He can take the football the distance in any situation. He is the 3rd WR that this team needs, can do anything in the offense. That would open things up even more for JJ and Addison, as well with the run game. Even has great deep ball skills as well. Literally everything you want. I believe he is the perfect piece to this offense. 

Explosive release package with quick-twitch footwork that keeps corners guessing - routinely wins at the line with sudden movements and decisive first steps


Natural deep-ball tracking ability jumps off the tape - adjusts to throws in flight while maintaining top-end speed and rarely breaks stride

Dangerous catch-and-run skillset with smooth acceleration - takes bubble screens and turns them into chunk plays with natural weaving ability

Shows advanced understanding of finding soft spots against zone coverage - consistently settles into windows and presents clear target for QB

Vertical route-running savvy beyond his years - masterfully uses speed variations and subtle head fakes to stack defenders

Creates easy throwing windows across the middle - understands leverage and how to use spacing to his advantage

Impressive ability to maintain speed through direction changes - doesn't gear down when breaking off routes

Versatile alignment experience with success both outside and in slot - gives offensive coordinators multiple ways to deploy him

[JR44]

I was really hoping for Harmon as saw DL our biggest position of need, however after signing Allen and Hargrave would that be like using a #1 on Turner, which was no longer an area of need, although it would not cost us all the extra picks. I also wanted one of the top RBs, but now with Mason, that may not be the best use of it as well. I think a true #1 CB is our biggest area of need right now, I wasn't a fan of the Murphy signing and do not think he is a shut down corner and should have not have been paid as such. I think we should go there or trade down, with so few picks, think trading down makes the most sense unless someone has a big fall down to us that is too much value to pass up.

[JustInTime]

Derrick Harmon is one of the first players I got excited about. But after signing Allen and Hargrave, that boner has died a little. Still love Shemar Stewart and Savion Williams, but the odds we'll be in a position to draft either is very low. If we had the first pick in this draft, I'd probably draft Jeanty. Top 10 pick, Barron. Among the positions of need that are realistic between 24 and 50, I'll put TreVeyon Henderson on my most wanted list.

Still definitely excited about Harmon, but yeah a little less so. Booker probably could have more impact. Henderson Id be willing to overdraft.

Williams is just a pipe dream but so was Patterson. Ask Mark. The guy I’m really interested in lately is Knight. Check him out.

[supafreak84]

I was really hoping for Harmon as saw DL our biggest position of need, however after signing Allen and Hargrave would that be like using a #1 on Turner, which was no longer an area of need, although it would not cost us all the extra picks.  I also wanted one of the top RBs, but now with Mason, that may not be the best use of it as well.  I think a true #1 CB is our biggest area of need right now, I wasn't a fan of the Murphy signing and do not think he is a shut down corner and should have not have been paid as such.  I think we should go there or trade down, with so few picks, think trading down makes the most sense unless someone has a big fall down to us that is too much value to pass up.

I think the odds heavily favor a trade down of some type but think you could still justify taking a defensive lineman as both Hargrave and Allen are older players and you still want to be able to bring waves of lineman and keep the pass rush fresh like the Eagles have done the last few years. They've gotten several guys paid (including Hargrave) using that philosophy and have been very successful. I think either Harmon, Grant or Nolen would be outstanding picks for us as our backups currently consist of Redmond, Taimani, and LDR.

[medaille]

I agree that we are completely open for the draft. I think CB and LG are probably our biggest needs. RB and a deep threat WR, also seem in play to me. I could totally see a trade down, but getting an impact starter and fewer picks doesn't feel irresponsible.

[purplefaithful]

A while back, someone here mentioned their rationale why this might be a tough year for trade-down...I dont remember who it was, wasn't me.

It seems like the intuitive thing to do with so few picks. Heck, its mentioned every other thread.

This might not be the type of draft that makes that easy or possible to get value in return?

[supafreak84]

Someone here mentioned the rationale why this might be a tough year for trade-down...I dont remember who it was, wasn't me.

It seems like the intuitive thing to do with so few picks, its mentioned every other thread.

This might not be the type of draft that makes that easy or possible to get value in return?

When I look at this, I see a few teams that would be logical trade down partners; Buffalo, Seattle, and Baltimore, but the that sticks out to me is Kansas City, who is in their window and could desperately use an offensive tackle or a defensive lineman. They are now starting Jerry Tillary and don't have a pass rusher opposite Karlaftis. They also have an extra pick in the 3rd round, so to me that's the most logical if a lineman they covet drops to #24.

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[JustInTime]

   

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Williams has been afforded direct snap and backfield opportunities as a true athlete in an effort to maximize his touches. This, paired with a heavy load of perimeter screens and shallow crosses underneath in 2024, leaves Williams with a modest profile as an actual receiver.

You do see the ability to run routes on the vertical plane and graceful strides that allow Williams to stack defenders who try to run with him on go’s and deep posts down the middle of the field but many of these reps are afforded open air to run through the secondary.

When he isn’t charged with taking the vertical plane, he was most frequently charged with running quick perimeter screens, tagged routes into the flat from condensed splits, or shallow in-breakers underneath before being targeted and encouraged to make things happen with the football.

That is where Williams shines brightest. He boasts a powerful and overwhelming frame that will create headaches for secondary defenders to try to corral. Williams has enough field vision and lateral-cut ability to explode off a foot and break some pursuit angles to the perimeter. Williams sets up blocks well on the outside and brings the echoes of his play as a running back to his ability to create a lane outside the numbers with his schemed touches.

That said, his implementation this year was very schemed-touch specific with an average depth of target under 7 yards. His role in 2023 was much more in line with a height-weight-speed vertical threat (12.2 ADoT). Williams didn’t see a ton of press, and this will be an equally weighted variable to his NFL conversion, assuming he stays at wide receiver.

How well does he play with timing through contact? He shows some wiggle at the top of routes against soft catch coverage, but overall, his step and space efficiency at the top of the stem on hard-angled routes looms as a threat to his ability to consistently snap off and create separation against man coverage.

The good news? This is a fairly dominant player at the catch point. Williams has shined through contact and hauled in a disproportionate number of targets with defenders draped on his frame. His size and stature should make that a sustainable element of his game, extending to the pros. He’s long and does well to adjust his frame to the football based on ball placement.

Ironically enough, he has shined in these opportunities but struggled in 2024 with some frustrating concentration drops. His career drop rate exceeds 10 percent.