Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
I guess those who can't do teach
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set. You missed the point.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
This has been asked repeatedly and no one seems to be able to back this idea. Fans act like it's common occurrence for a team to challenge their starting QB who is consistently putting up top the numbers KC does.
I'm interested to see this extensive list of teams that do so. Looking through the depth charts isn't exactly a who's who of talented QBs pushing starters. How about all those current examples of said backup actually taking the job?
This line that KC is afraid of his backups gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a vocal minority but when you ask for evidence beyond conspiracy theories it's crickets.
Prior to the achilles Cousins had missed one game due to injury in the prior FOURTEEN YEARS. That coupled with his production is why teams wouldn't waste money on a backup.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
This has been asked repeatedly and no one seems to be able to back this idea. Fans act like it's common occurrence for a team to challenge their starting QB who is consistently putting up top the numbers KC does.
I'm interested to see this extensive list of teams that do so. Looking through the depth charts isn't exactly a who's who of talented QBs pushing starters. How about all those current examples of said backup actually taking the job?
This line that KC is afraid of his backups gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a vocal minority but when you ask for evidence beyond conspiracy theories it's crickets.
Prior to the achilles Cousins had missed one game due to injury in the prior FOURTEEN YEARS. That coupled with his production is why teams wouldn't waste money on a backup.
Just because my tire probably won't pop today, doesn't mean I want the spare in my trunk to be flat.
The list of backup QBs who take the starter's job is small. But the list of backup QBs who should've taken Mannion's job is long. Mannion had nine lives here somehow. GB can have him.
Quote: @pattersaur said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
This has been asked repeatedly and no one seems to be able to back this idea. Fans act like it's common occurrence for a team to challenge their starting QB who is consistently putting up top the numbers KC does.
I'm interested to see this extensive list of teams that do so. Looking through the depth charts isn't exactly a who's who of talented QBs pushing starters. How about all those current examples of said backup actually taking the job?
This line that KC is afraid of his backups gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a vocal minority but when you ask for evidence beyond conspiracy theories it's crickets.
Prior to the achilles Cousins had missed one game due to injury in the prior FOURTEEN YEARS. That coupled with his production is why teams wouldn't waste money on a backup.
Just because my tire probably won't pop today, doesn't mean I want the spare in my trunk to be flat.
The list of backup QBs who take the starter's job is small. But the list of backup QBs who should've taken Mannion's job is long. Mannion had nine lives here somehow. GB can have him.
Solid strawman, cant think of anyone arguing that Mannion was a great backup. That has nothing to do with what I asked. But since you cant answer the question you pivoted. Who are all these teams that bring in backups to push starting QB's the ilk of Cousins? With as much as some of the people who actually believe this love to hear themselves talk you'd think they would be shouting all these examples to the folks in the back.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ pattersaur said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
This has been asked repeatedly and no one seems to be able to back this idea. Fans act like it's common occurrence for a team to challenge their starting QB who is consistently putting up top the numbers KC does.
I'm interested to see this extensive list of teams that do so. Looking through the depth charts isn't exactly a who's who of talented QBs pushing starters. How about all those current examples of said backup actually taking the job?
This line that KC is afraid of his backups gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a vocal minority but when you ask for evidence beyond conspiracy theories it's crickets.
Prior to the achilles Cousins had missed one game due to injury in the prior FOURTEEN YEARS. That coupled with his production is why teams wouldn't waste money on a backup.
Just because my tire probably won't pop today, doesn't mean I want the spare in my trunk to be flat.
The list of backup QBs who take the starter's job is small. But the list of backup QBs who should've taken Mannion's job is long. Mannion had nine lives here somehow. GB can have him.
Solid strawman, cant think of anyone arguing that Mannion was a great backup. That has nothing to do with what I asked. But since you cant answer the question you pivoted. Who are all these teams that bring in backups to push starting QB's the ilk of Cousins? With as much as some of the people who actually believe this love to hear themselves talk you'd think they would be shouting all these examples to the folks in the back.
I answered your question and said the list of backup QBs who take over as starter is small. Not sure how I could’ve been more direct.
I was also pointing out Mannion stunk, in the Mannion thread. Sorry if that was controversial. Calm down big bone.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
This has been asked repeatedly and no one seems to be able to back this idea. Fans act like it's common occurrence for a team to challenge their starting QB who is consistently putting up top the numbers KC does.
I'm interested to see this extensive list of teams that do so. Looking through the depth charts isn't exactly a who's who of talented QBs pushing starters. How about all those current examples of said backup actually taking the job?
This line that KC is afraid of his backups gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a vocal minority but when you ask for evidence beyond conspiracy theories it's crickets.
Prior to the achilles Cousins had missed one game due to injury in the prior FOURTEEN YEARS. That coupled with his production is why teams wouldn't waste money on a backup.
Rogers was brought in when Favre was still rolling, Love was brought in when Rogers was still putting up HOF and MVP numbers, Steve Young was brought to San Fran when Montana was the man, Mahomes was brought to KC when Alex Smith had just had his 2nd pro bowl year, I am sure there are more, but I am equally as sure that you will come up with some reason to discount anything I provide that proves that it is done and it was a mistake not to challenge Cousins and his 1 career playoff win. It just makes good business sense to have been trying to find a quality replacement for the most important ( and highest paid) position on the team.
Quote: @bigbone62 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ bigbone62 said:
@ comet52 said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
Lol...he was such a waste of a roster spot. Maybe if they had tried putting a competent QB in that role we wouldn't be up shit crick right now.
I thought Rick was a good GM here, but one of my two biggest gripes with him was exactly that. We never adequately filled the backup QB position with talent. The one year we did with Keenum it came in extremely handy (as we know). I think a lot of it had to do with the guaranteed money we gave Cousins and the heat that came with that, and he never wanted a situation where the backup came in, played well, and it created a controversy in turn making him look bad. So instead, we got a lot of Sean Mannion types manning the backup positions.
Well if Slick Rick had initially signed Keenum for two years instead of one, Kirk might never have happened. Of course miserable Mike Zimmer would have tantrumed just as hard about it regardless.
After MN he signed a two year contract to start in Denver but per his history struggled as the main guy. Bounced from Denver after one year. No one else considered him starting material again. In 6 seasons since MN he has bounced around to 5 different teams. Guys never been on the same team more than 2 seasons in a row. Yep, if only they had re-signed him we would have been set.
I don't think he meant set with keenum, just not saddled with Cousins. They've done everything they could to not challenge kirks role, and he's been good, but why have they never really tried to improve the position?
This has been asked repeatedly and no one seems to be able to back this idea. Fans act like it's common occurrence for a team to challenge their starting QB who is consistently putting up top the numbers KC does.
I'm interested to see this extensive list of teams that do so. Looking through the depth charts isn't exactly a who's who of talented QBs pushing starters. How about all those current examples of said backup actually taking the job?
This line that KC is afraid of his backups gets regurgitated ad nauseum by a vocal minority but when you ask for evidence beyond conspiracy theories it's crickets.
Prior to the achilles Cousins had missed one game due to injury in the prior FOURTEEN YEARS. That coupled with his production is why teams wouldn't waste money on a backup.
While I actually agree with you that teams who have a QB1 don't normally bring in "competition", and that this persistent notion about Kirk being afraid of such is pure fan fiction, you still missed the point.
Which was that if Keenum was under contract for 2018, it's unlikely the team would ditch him off 13-3 with a trip to the NFCC to break the bank for Kirk whom Zimmer didn't even want.
Given a choice between keeping Case on the cheap leaving money to spend on D, or blowing cash on Kirk, Zimmer would doubtless have swallowed his objections to Case and Kirk would have been a Jet.
Or even freeing up a spot for Jake Browning as a project in 2021---Mannion then as now is the red flag to let you know your season is over if he ever hits the field. He was a wasted spot from Day one and good riddance.
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