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#11
The two things that bugged me the most about the game were the last two drives of the game.  Turnovers are part of the game that you have to overcome and we should have been able to win the game despite them. The last defensive stand was a complete joke, after playing aggressive defense all game, we went into a shell, rushed 3 guys and gave them the entire middle of the field wide open. Anyone could have gone down and scored against that scheme, it was as if we were up by two scores.  And then getting the ball with 1:03 and 3 timeouts, I don't see any excuse to not get yourself in FG position, instead we lost 4 yards on the drive. The game was there for us and we completely fell apart and choked it away.  
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#12
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@comet52 said:
@pattersaur said:
@MaroonBells said:
@StickyBun said:
When Minnesota was up 17-9 and had the ball toward the end of the 3rd quarter driving, they were in complete control. The Broncos were on life support. 
I remember telling my son around that time that it felt like the Vikings should be up by 20. But it was really just a one-score game. 
Yep, we're converting 50% of red zone trips into TDs. That's 19th in the league. Not atrocious but not good either. Sprinkle in some missed FGs and a heap of turnovers, it's actually a wonder that we rank 11th in the league in PPG. Further proves the argument that many fans hold their own team up to a higher standard than what's realistic.
The closer we get to the goal line the more KOC seems to lose his shit calling plays.  I don't know why.
Vikings rank a pedestrian #19 in Red Zone TD Scoring (50%)

In 2022? That was 63% (top 10)

red-zone-scoring-pct


Red zone scoring has declined significantly. I think that's a combination of three things: 1. Ridiculous number of turnovers in the first five games. 2. Not having QB1 or WR1 for the last several games 3. RB1 is just a terrible goal line runner. Always has been. Remember, couple years ago we lost a game specifically because Mattison couldn't see a hole wide as a Winnebago.
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#13
Quote: @JR44 said:
The two things that bugged me the most about the game were the last two drives of the game.  Turnovers are part of the game that you have to overcome and we should have been able to win the game despite them. The last defensive stand was a complete joke, after playing aggressive defense all game, we went into a shell, rushed 3 guys and gave them the entire middle of the field wide open. Anyone could have gone down and scored against that scheme, it was as if we were up by two scores.  And then getting the ball with 1:03 and 3 timeouts, I don't see any excuse to not get yourself in FG position, instead we lost 4 yards on the drive. The game was there for us and we completely fell apart and choked it away.  
I was screaming at the tv the whole time.  it was clear early on the broncos had found something against that D,  so if you are going to lose the lead, lose it fast or play aggressive and at least try to flip the script.  If I had just tuned into the  4th quarter sunday night I would have swore the Vikings were tanking intentionally.
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#14
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@comet52 said:
@pattersaur said:
@MaroonBells said:
@StickyBun said:
When Minnesota was up 17-9 and had the ball toward the end of the 3rd quarter driving, they were in complete control. The Broncos were on life support. 
I remember telling my son around that time that it felt like the Vikings should be up by 20. But it was really just a one-score game. 
Yep, we're converting 50% of red zone trips into TDs. That's 19th in the league. Not atrocious but not good either. Sprinkle in some missed FGs and a heap of turnovers, it's actually a wonder that we rank 11th in the league in PPG. Further proves the argument that many fans hold their own team up to a higher standard than what's realistic.
The closer we get to the goal line the more KOC seems to lose his shit calling plays.  I don't know why.
Less field ro work with,  we cant run the ball for shit in short yardage situations as our IOL generates negative yards themselves and they don't open holes very often either.  So that says we are going to need to pass which doesn't allow the LBs and DBs to be moved vertically only horizontally which is harder to create pass lanes and give the QB enough time to get away from what is typically a free rusher.  

If we can upgrade our IOL with some power guys, that can pass protect,  I think we turn another corner in O,  like adding the element of mobility to the QB position has raised the bar and opened up more play design options.
I just hate it on short yardage situations when they run sideways down the line of scrimmage. It only takes one defender to penetrate the line get a tackle for a loss. Shame they don't seem to have one single road grader in the middle of the line they can run North and South behind.
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#15
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@comet52 said:
@pattersaur said:
@MaroonBells said:
@StickyBun said:
When Minnesota was up 17-9 and had the ball toward the end of the 3rd quarter driving, they were in complete control. The Broncos were on life support. 
I remember telling my son around that time that it felt like the Vikings should be up by 20. But it was really just a one-score game. 
Yep, we're converting 50% of red zone trips into TDs. That's 19th in the league. Not atrocious but not good either. Sprinkle in some missed FGs and a heap of turnovers, it's actually a wonder that we rank 11th in the league in PPG. Further proves the argument that many fans hold their own team up to a higher standard than what's realistic.
The closer we get to the goal line the more KOC seems to lose his shit calling plays.  I don't know why.
Less field ro work with,  we cant run the ball for shit in short yardage situations as our IOL generates negative yards themselves and they don't open holes very often either.  So that says we are going to need to pass which doesn't allow the LBs and DBs to be moved vertically only horizontally which is harder to create pass lanes and give the QB enough time to get away from what is typically a free rusher.  

If we can upgrade our IOL with some power guys, that can pass protect,  I think we turn another corner in O,  like adding the element of mobility to the QB position has raised the bar and opened up more play design options.
I just hate it on short yardage situations when they run sideways down the line of scrimmage. It only takes one defender to penetrate the line get a tackle for a loss. Shame they don't seem to have one single road grader in the middle of the line they can run North and South behind.
Vikings are a zone blocking line. But I did find it interesting that the announcers in Denver said the Vikings were mixing both zone and gap blocking. 
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#16
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@JimmyinSD said:
@comet52 said:
@pattersaur said:
@MaroonBells said:
@StickyBun said:
When Minnesota was up 17-9 and had the ball toward the end of the 3rd quarter driving, they were in complete control. The Broncos were on life support. 
I remember telling my son around that time that it felt like the Vikings should be up by 20. But it was really just a one-score game. 
Yep, we're converting 50% of red zone trips into TDs. That's 19th in the league. Not atrocious but not good either. Sprinkle in some missed FGs and a heap of turnovers, it's actually a wonder that we rank 11th in the league in PPG. Further proves the argument that many fans hold their own team up to a higher standard than what's realistic.
The closer we get to the goal line the more KOC seems to lose his shit calling plays.  I don't know why.
Less field ro work with,  we cant run the ball for shit in short yardage situations as our IOL generates negative yards themselves and they don't open holes very often either.  So that says we are going to need to pass which doesn't allow the LBs and DBs to be moved vertically only horizontally which is harder to create pass lanes and give the QB enough time to get away from what is typically a free rusher.  

If we can upgrade our IOL with some power guys, that can pass protect,  I think we turn another corner in O,  like adding the element of mobility to the QB position has raised the bar and opened up more play design options.
I just hate it on short yardage situations when they run sideways down the line of scrimmage. It only takes one defender to penetrate the line get a tackle for a loss. Shame they don't seem to have one single road grader in the middle of the line they can run North and South behind.
between the 20s I like the zone blocking schemes,  in short yardage and redzone... I want big ugly road graders,  that not only move their guy,  but pile up a LB or filling safety in the process,  all we get is a pile that at best is at the LOS,  rarely ever any horizontal push.  They compensate by having team blocking but that hole is usually filled by a LB or 2 and ends up blowing the run up in the back field.  miss the days of smashmouth football in those situations,  I wonder if we could sub in a different IOL package when they want to run up the gut,  could still PA pass out of it,  but at least develop some sort of power threat.
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#17
Thanks Alex, I'll go with "What is the definition of insanity?"

Paul Charchian
Alexander Mattison's 11 runs inside the 10-yard line have netted 0 touchdowns and -5 yards.
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#18
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Thanks Alex, I'll go with "What is the definition of insanity?"

Paul Charchian
Alexander Mattison's 11 runs inside the 10-yard line have netted 0 touchdowns and -5 yards.
Woooooooof 
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#19
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Thanks Alex, I'll go with "What is the definition of insanity?"

Paul Charchian
Alexander Mattison's 11 runs inside the 10-yard line have netted 0 touchdowns and -5 yards.
I think the most surprising stat in all of that is the 11 runs, how many times does it take for us to realize it is not working, after 5, 6, 7 times we needed to keep forcing it?
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#20
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Thanks Alex, I'll go with "What is the definition of insanity?"

Paul Charchian
Alexander Mattison's 11 runs inside the 10-yard line have netted 0 touchdowns and -5 yards.
Big difference between inside the 10 and short yardage.
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