Great read on our great LT...

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@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

that third round stings... 4 shots at guys that should be contributing on this team and relatively little to show for it thus far.

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@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

so 11 picks and 4 with the team into 23...And we'll see in 3 weeks how many of them are still with us. 

I'm not sure if that's good vs avg year drafting or not?

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@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

To me if you land an all pro left tackle drafting in the 20's, it doesn't matter what the rest of the draft looks like...that's a win. We also landed a starter in Bynum and upper echelon return guy in Nwagwu. That's a great draft in my book 

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@supafreak84 said:

@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

To me if you land an all pro left tackle drafting in the 20's, it doesn't matter what the rest of the draft looks like...that's a win. We also landed a starter in Bynum and upper echelon return guy in Nwagwu. That's a great draft in my book 

Is this one of Rick's better drafts (2016)?

• Round 1 (23): Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
• Round 2 (54): Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
• Round 4 (121): Willie Beavers, OT, Western Michigan
• Round 5 (160): Kentrell Brothers, OLB, Missouri
• Round 6 (180): Mortiz Boehringer, WR, Germany
• Round 6 (188): David Morgan, TE, Texas-San Antonio
• Round 7 (227): Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt

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@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:

@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

To me if you land an all pro left tackle drafting in the 20's, it doesn't matter what the rest of the draft looks like...that's a win. We also landed a starter in Bynum and upper echelon return guy in Nwagwu. That's a great draft in my book 

Is this one of Rick's better drafts (2016)?

• Round 1 (23): Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
• Round 2 (54): Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
• Round 4 (121): Willie Beavers, OT, Western Michigan
• Round 5 (160): Kentrell Brothers, OLB, Missouri
• Round 6 (180): Mortiz Boehringer, WR, Germany
• Round 6 (188): David Morgan, TE, Texas-San Antonio
• Round 7 (227): Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt

Nope. But you can cherry pick any draft and find good ones and bad ones. I still contend drafting in the latter portions of every round is more difficult. If he was constantly blowing top 10 picks it would be more concerning. But the two building blocks for this franchise (JJ and Darrisaw) were drafted by Rick in the 20's. That is extraordinary 

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@supafreak84 said:

@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:

@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

To me if you land an all pro left tackle drafting in the 20's, it doesn't matter what the rest of the draft looks like...that's a win. We also landed a starter in Bynum and upper echelon return guy in Nwagwu. That's a great draft in my book 

Is this one of Rick's better drafts (2016)?

• Round 1 (23): Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
• Round 2 (54): Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
• Round 4 (121): Willie Beavers, OT, Western Michigan
• Round 5 (160): Kentrell Brothers, OLB, Missouri
• Round 6 (180): Mortiz Boehringer, WR, Germany
• Round 6 (188): David Morgan, TE, Texas-San Antonio
• Round 7 (227): Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt

Nope. But you can cherry pick any draft and find good ones and bad ones. I still contend drafting in the latter portions of every round is more difficult. If he was constantly blowing top 10 picks it would be more concerning. But the two building blocks for this franchise (JJ and Darrisaw) were drafted by Rick in the 20's. That is extraordinary 

I totally agree with you.  Rick did have some great picks and in the later rounds also...Diggs and Hunter come to mind.  Rick was a good GM and had been for around 15 yrs?  Kwesi is on his second.  All I saying is to give the man a chance before condemning him.  Both men have and had a hard job to do and both are and were trying to help the team as best they can.

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@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:

@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:

@ArizonaViking said:

@supafreak84 said:
Another great Spielman pick, and he traded down to get him

All-pro for years to come 

Here's the rest of that draft class of 2021... Darrisaw, Jones, Nwangwu and Bynum are still with the team.

• Round 1: No. 23 (from Jets) - Christian Darrisaw, OT, Virginia Tech
  
• Round 3: No. 66 - Kellen Mond, QB, Texas A&M GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 78 - Chazz Surratt, LB, North Carolina GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 86 - Wyatt Davis, G, Ohio State GONE
  
• Round 3: No. 90 (from Ravens) - Patrick Jones II, DE, Pittsburgh
  
• Round 4: No. 119 - Kene Nwangwu, RB, Iowa State
  
• Round 4: No. 125 (from Bears) - Camryn Bynum, CB, California
  
• Round 4: No. 134 (from Bills) - Janarius Robinson, DE, Florida State GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 157 - Ihmir Smith-Marsette, WR, Iowa GONE
  
• Round 5: No. 168 (from Steelers) - Zach Davidson, TE, Central Missouri GONE
  
• Round 6: No. 199 - Jaylen Twyman, DT, Pittsburgh GONE

To me if you land an all pro left tackle drafting in the 20's, it doesn't matter what the rest of the draft looks like...that's a win. We also landed a starter in Bynum and upper echelon return guy in Nwagwu. That's a great draft in my book 

Is this one of Rick's better drafts (2016)?

• Round 1 (23): Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss
• Round 2 (54): Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
• Round 4 (121): Willie Beavers, OT, Western Michigan
• Round 5 (160): Kentrell Brothers, OLB, Missouri
• Round 6 (180): Mortiz Boehringer, WR, Germany
• Round 6 (188): David Morgan, TE, Texas-San Antonio
• Round 7 (227): Stephen Weatherly, OLB, Vanderbilt

Nope. But you can cherry pick any draft and find good ones and bad ones. I still contend drafting in the latter portions of every round is more difficult. If he was constantly blowing top 10 picks it would be more concerning. But the two building blocks for this franchise (JJ and Darrisaw) were drafted by Rick in the 20's. That is extraordinary 

I totally agree with you.  Rick did have some great picks and in the later rounds also...Diggs and Hunter come to mind.  Rick was a good GM and had been for around 15 yrs?  Kwesi is on his second.  All I saying is to give the man a chance before condemning him.  Both men have and had a hard job to do and both are and were trying to help the team as best they can.

Yeah, I don't get the rush to judgement on the KAMster. I also give credit to Rick on some really outstanding picks but he also selected some real garbage as well....welcome to the world of a NFL GM. The new regime is trying to navigate the cap as well for what they inherited and what direction they want to go. Takes time and some wiggle room.

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Rick was fine but not great.  The last couple years he was here are kind of representative of that draft listed above.  An occasional good to great player but not enough competent players to fill out a roster, so you got weak spots all over.

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@medaille said:
Rick was fine but not great.  The last couple years he was here are kind of representative of that draft listed above.  An occasional good to great player but not enough competent players to fill out a roster, so you got weak spots all over.

The OLine and not finding a QB are what kept Rick from keeping a job.  His unwillingness to try for a QB when his supposed QBOTF was inhouse really bit him in the ass.

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@greediron said:

@medaille said:
Rick was fine but not great.  The last couple years he was here are kind of representative of that draft listed above.  An occasional good to great player but not enough competent players to fill out a roster, so you got weak spots all over.

The OLine and not finding a QB are what kept Rick from keeping a job.  His unwillingness to try for a QB when his supposed QBOTF was inhouse really bit him in the ass.

I think thats certainly part of it...
Teddy was supposed to be that guy, but so was Ponder 
They threw draft capital at the OL, but damn if too many of those picks didnt pan out. 
They really should have tossed some FA capital at tried and proven OG when they had the chances. 

The other (big) part of why RS isnt here is what happened to the org internally and with his HC. That was nothing short of bad - and it may be a reason he's still on the sidelines this year.