Quote: @MaroonBells said:
I read that article about modeling the Rams and the whole time I'm thinking, hey, we sure that's the right team to model?
As distasteful as it was, if the same approach put a Lombardi in Eagan?
I'd do it in a heartbeat.
Job 1 for this teams front office is to get a QBOTF in 24...And make it a good one.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
I read that article about modeling the Rams and the whole time I'm thinking, hey, we sure that's the right team to model?
I do like how Kwesi is shifting payroll from lower impact positions into higher impact positions.
So are you saying Cook doesn't impact the game? Is spending that money on a blocking TE, more of an impact position?
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
I read that article about modeling the Rams and the whole time I'm thinking, hey, we sure that's the right team to model?
I do like how Kwesi is shifting payroll from lower impact positions into higher impact positions.
So are you saying Cook doesn't impact the game? Is spending that money on a blocking TE, more of an impact position?
Of course Cook impacts the game. But it's about value over replacement (VOR). In today's game, RB (along with guard, ILB, Safety, etc) isn't considered a premium position (QB, WR, OT, OLB, CB).
IOW, replacing Cook with Mattison doesn't negatively impact fortunes as much as, say, Cousins with Mullens (an extreme example), Jefferson with KJO or Hunter with Wonnum.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Of course Cook impacts the game. But it's about value over replacement (VOR). In today's game, RB (along with guard, ILB, Safety, etc) isn't considered a premium position (QB, WR, OT, OLB, CB).
IOW, replacing Cook with Mattison doesn't negatively impact fortunes as much as, say, Cousins with Mullens (an extreme example), Jefferson with KJO or Hunter with Wonnum.
I think the devaluing of the RB is a narrative that is changing and that it is truly a premium position, this past draft we had two RBs taken in the top 12. I really like Mattison, he is a solid RB, but I do see a significant drop in the sense that he doesn't change the game like Cook, who is a home run hitter who can take it to the house at any time. I can think of several games last year starting with Buffalo that we do not win without Cook suddenly shifting the game. Cook also impacts the game without the ball, defenses have to account for him on every play and have to game plan around him, which I think has greatly benefitted Jefferson. If we are talking Mattison and Chandler, yes, but I think Cook is being really undervalued in what he brings to the game, also consider he is only 27 and played in every game last year. I just think in terms of your point regarding where we are getting the most impact for the money, my feeling is I would have rather used the money that we gave to a blocking TE to help keep Cook.
Couple of quick things:
- Think about how they are not modeling on the Rams. The Vikings have now invested heavily in the TE position -- they are clearly going to use a lot of two TE sets. Also, against most fans' expectations, they extended their fullback, Ham.
- As for a trade, I don't think they can trade Cook until he passes a physical regarding his shoulder. Moreover, any trade partner will want to see his medicals. No team was going to trade for Cook pre-draft without a clean bill of health.
Quote: @JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Of course Cook impacts the game. But it's about value over replacement (VOR). In today's game, RB (along with guard, ILB, Safety, etc) isn't considered a premium position (QB, WR, OT, OLB, CB).
IOW, replacing Cook with Mattison doesn't negatively impact fortunes as much as, say, Cousins with Mullens (an extreme example), Jefferson with KJO or Hunter with Wonnum.
I think the devaluing of the RB is a narrative that is changing and that it is truly a premium position, this past draft we had two RBs taken in the top 12. I really like Mattison, he is a solid RB, but I do see a significant drop in the sense that he doesn't change the game like Cook, who is a home run hitter who can take it to the house at any time. I can think of several games last year starting with Buffalo that we do not win without Cook suddenly shifting the game. Cook also impacts the game without the ball, defenses have to account for him on every play and have to game plan around him, which I think has greatly benefitted Jefferson. If we are talking Mattison and Chandler, yes, but I think Cook is being really undervalued in what he brings to the game, also consider he is only 27 and played in every game last year. I just think in terms of your point regarding where we are getting the most impact for the money, my feeling is I would have rather used the money that we gave to a blocking TE to help keep Cook.
This...×1000
I think turning us into the Midwest Rams is a mistake. I've heard a lot of very smart people on NFL Radio over the last few weeks who universally consider it a mistake getting rid of Dalvin Cook and don't really understand the move if we are trying to compete next season. I feel the same
Quote: @supafreak84 said:
@ JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Of course Cook impacts the game. But it's about value over replacement (VOR). In today's game, RB (along with guard, ILB, Safety, etc) isn't considered a premium position (QB, WR, OT, OLB, CB).
IOW, replacing Cook with Mattison doesn't negatively impact fortunes as much as, say, Cousins with Mullens (an extreme example), Jefferson with KJO or Hunter with Wonnum.
I think the devaluing of the RB is a narrative that is changing and that it is truly a premium position, this past draft we had two RBs taken in the top 12. I really like Mattison, he is a solid RB, but I do see a significant drop in the sense that he doesn't change the game like Cook, who is a home run hitter who can take it to the house at any time. I can think of several games last year starting with Buffalo that we do not win without Cook suddenly shifting the game. Cook also impacts the game without the ball, defenses have to account for him on every play and have to game plan around him, which I think has greatly benefitted Jefferson. If we are talking Mattison and Chandler, yes, but I think Cook is being really undervalued in what he brings to the game, also consider he is only 27 and played in every game last year. I just think in terms of your point regarding where we are getting the most impact for the money, my feeling is I would have rather used the money that we gave to a blocking TE to help keep Cook.
This...×1000
I think turning us into the Midwest Rams is a mistake. I've heard a lot of very smart people on NFL Radio over the last few weeks who universally consider it a mistake getting rid of Dalvin Cook and don't really understand the move if we are trying to compete next season. I feel the same
I'm not convinced the local, ink stained wretch got the Ram parallel right. V.Oracle may have hit the bullseye with a power running game by committee. I think KOC will use those TE's in unique ways. There is a lot of weapons on offense now and they have to start shifting $$ over to D if this team is going to get over the playoff hump to a SB.
Thats not going to be easy even with the cap going up. JJ will be the highest paid WR, Darrisaw is due his $, DH is going to get paid and TJH is as well
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Of course Cook impacts the game. But it's about value over replacement (VOR). In today's game, RB (along with guard, ILB, Safety, etc) isn't considered a premium position (QB, WR, OT, OLB, CB).
IOW, replacing Cook with Mattison doesn't negatively impact fortunes as much as, say, Cousins with Mullens (an extreme example), Jefferson with KJO or Hunter with Wonnum.
I think the devaluing of the RB is a narrative that is changing and that it is truly a premium position, this past draft we had two RBs taken in the top 12. I really like Mattison, he is a solid RB, but I do see a significant drop in the sense that he doesn't change the game like Cook, who is a home run hitter who can take it to the house at any time. I can think of several games last year starting with Buffalo that we do not win without Cook suddenly shifting the game. Cook also impacts the game without the ball, defenses have to account for him on every play and have to game plan around him, which I think has greatly benefitted Jefferson. If we are talking Mattison and Chandler, yes, but I think Cook is being really undervalued in what he brings to the game, also consider he is only 27 and played in every game last year. I just think in terms of your point regarding where we are getting the most impact for the money, my feeling is I would have rather used the money that we gave to a blocking TE to help keep Cook.
This...×1000
I think turning us into the Midwest Rams is a mistake. I've heard a lot of very smart people on NFL Radio over the last few weeks who universally consider it a mistake getting rid of Dalvin Cook and don't really understand the move if we are trying to compete next season. I feel the same
I'm not convinced the local, ink stained wretch got the Ram parallel right
KOC is trying to replicate the Ram formula to a tee. 3-4 defense-check, quarterback dominate throw the ball all over the field offense-check, running back by committee and essentially an afterthought-check. You could not flip a team more from what they were if you tried. We went from a defense dominant 4-3, a ball control run dominant offense that utilized play action as a strength, to all the changes we have become.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ supafreak84 said:
@ JR44 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Of course Cook impacts the game. But it's about value over replacement (VOR). In today's game, RB (along with guard, ILB, Safety, etc) isn't considered a premium position (QB, WR, OT, OLB, CB).
IOW, replacing Cook with Mattison doesn't negatively impact fortunes as much as, say, Cousins with Mullens (an extreme example), Jefferson with KJO or Hunter with Wonnum.
I think the devaluing of the RB is a narrative that is changing and that it is truly a premium position, this past draft we had two RBs taken in the top 12. I really like Mattison, he is a solid RB, but I do see a significant drop in the sense that he doesn't change the game like Cook, who is a home run hitter who can take it to the house at any time. I can think of several games last year starting with Buffalo that we do not win without Cook suddenly shifting the game. Cook also impacts the game without the ball, defenses have to account for him on every play and have to game plan around him, which I think has greatly benefitted Jefferson. If we are talking Mattison and Chandler, yes, but I think Cook is being really undervalued in what he brings to the game, also consider he is only 27 and played in every game last year. I just think in terms of your point regarding where we are getting the most impact for the money, my feeling is I would have rather used the money that we gave to a blocking TE to help keep Cook.
This...×1000
I think turning us into the Midwest Rams is a mistake. I've heard a lot of very smart people on NFL Radio over the last few weeks who universally consider it a mistake getting rid of Dalvin Cook and don't really understand the move if we are trying to compete next season. I feel the same
I'm not convinced the local, ink stained wretch got the Ram parallel right. V.Oracle may have hit the bullseye with a power running game by committee. I think KOC will use those TE's in unique ways. There is a lot of weapons on offense now and they have to start shifting $$ over to D if this team is going to get over the playoff hump to a SB.
Thats not going to be easy even with the cap going up. JJ will be the highest paid WR, Darrisaw is due his $, DH is going to get paid and TJH is as well
Well it was Souhan. And I do think we're going to see a different style of running attack this year. More power, more committee...probably fewer big runs, but also hopefully fewer stuffs. We ranked ridiculously high in runs losing yards or gaining none. I think that will change.
I don’t know how much of it is modeling the rams, and how
much of it is just the way the league as a whole is trending. The RB position as a whole is just dramatically
devalued and there’s big names still unsigned.
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