Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins.
Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins.
Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff
Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB.
I think choosing the scheme we did was a mistake. I think hiring Donatell was a mistake, but I
don’t think firing him midseason would have really changed anything. The problems we had were more related to guys
making mistakes and to me seem like poor installation of the defense type
problems. I don’t really think you can
fire the DC and all of a sudden position coaches are going to coach their guys
better. I don’t think you can really
just change the scheme midseason too much as it would end up with more guys
making mistakes not less. I do think
there’s some amount of benefit that could have been had if we switched to a
high blitz percentage scheme, where you hope to get home on the blitz before
the offense can exploit your mistakes, but I think we’d probably see a more
boom and bust defense, where one week you get a heroic play that leads to a
win, and the next it’s a dramatic loss on an extra blown play.
I think Flores’s benefit will really be in getting these
guys understanding what they’re supposed to be doing and playing fast.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
That's just it. The championship caliber QB's are good at handling pressure. But none of them can handle getting hit very well.
When it comes to this years Vikings, I'm having a hard time seeing where the pressure and sacks are going to come from. Even if the young secondary plays well, nobody can cover all day if there is no QB pressure and sacks.
They also have to prove they can stop the run or it won't make much difference.
Tall order for Flores to transform this defense into a functional unit.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins.
Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff
Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB.
Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all.
Quote: @dadevike said:
@ supafreak84 said:
That's my one criticism with KOC. Smart guy, but how can someone that smart be so dumb to bring in a guy who's been a failure to oversee a complete defensive overhaul? Donatell has never been good anywhere. I told everybody when he was hired that he was a shitty hire. So if I knew it, and anybody paying attention knew it, how did KOC and Kwesi miss the memo? It was the downfall of an otherwise successful season and its certainly fair to wonder why a change wasn't made after we went a month straight giving up 500+ yards a game. I know its probably tough to pull the plug when you are still winning football games, but still, everybody knew we were a paper tiger mainly because of the defense and thats exactly how the season played out.
I think Flores will be better (can't be any worse), but I still absolutely hate this 3-4 scheme.
Maybe this is all excuses but I can at least couch it as explanation/justification - at least for keeping Donatell, not for hiring him.
Last year KOC was a first-year head coach whose background is and was strictly on offense. He installed a new offense and brought in Ed to install a new defense and really, a whole new system, switching from a 4-3 to a 3-4. He has to sell all of this to a lockerroom and have the players buy in. Basically, th message is "I know what I'm doing, we hired great coaches, trust us, this will work." And it kinda did. The defense was not good, but Ed says it is going to take time for the players to learn this new system. There will be growing pains.
And the Vikings won. A lot. Everyone could see that the defense was a problem, but your DC says it's coming along and will improve. And the HC is a bit overwhelmed running an entire team for the first time ever. He has his hands full and is happy to have an old, experienced coach running the D. And what happens if he tries to change horses in mid-stream? Is he really going to upset the apple cart with the success the team was having in year 1? Will he lose the players? Lose the ones on defense? Is the message that when things are not working right away we just throw it out and start over mid-season? KOC was in a tough spot. But it was one he helped create.
Very well said. We were winning. You don't change horses when you are winning.
And yes, especially when you don't have experience running a team, running the coaches. KOC had his own battles to wage each week, making a defensive change would have just been a band-aid blindly applied.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins.
Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff
Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB.
Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all.
half the QBs on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses, sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others, but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things. IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins.
Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff
Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB.
Just speaking in terms of experience, it's unusually light. Just removing a QB like Rodgers, a veteran QB you just don't blitz, makes a big difference. Then throwing in two games each against Love and Fields, along with Ritter, Mayfield, Young...this is not a series of QBs for whom Flores is going to have to stow his blitz packages very often...if at all.
half the QBs on that list have proven themselves able to beat quality defenses, sure you get a couple knock arounds in Love, Fields, and a couple others, but the rest have seen it and it wont be nearly as effective and the veteran QBs will be able to audible into other things. IMO this is still a bottom 1/3 defense.
Justin Fields is going to be a problem this season. I think everybody poo poo'n on him based on last season (where he was still an elite playmaker with zero help) is going to be unpleasantly surprised
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ AGRforever said:
I guess it matters what Flores is able to do with basically the same personal. Maybe there wasn’t much they could do with what they had?
Which still is back to KOC and KAM, we had plenty of posters questioning the move to the 34 from the begining,, saying we didn't have the people to run the scheme. Flores should be able to do more with what he's got, but I still expect a bottom 1/3 defense, they will bring more pressure, and get some wins that way, but good OLs and good QBs will be able to handle it often enough and make them pay.
Well i hope not a bottom 1/3...
Flores' D's are known for different looks and a bunch of cover 0. I suspect we'll get much of the same
You know what they say about the blitz...
We are going to be facing to many quality veteran QBs that won't be a confused by much of what Flores will dial up, it takes play makers and we are short of those on D.
Not sure how anyone can look at the list of QBs on our schedule and say we're facing too many veteran QBs. In fact, I would argue that this list is probably the least experienced list of QBs we've faced in many, many years. No Brady, no Rodgers, no Stafford no Cousins.
Baker MayfieldJalen HurtsJustin HerbertBryce YoungPatrick MahomesJustin FieldsTrey Lance, Brock Purdy or Sam DarnoldJordan LoveDesmond RitterDerek CarrRussell WilsonJustin FieldsJimmy GJoe BurrowJared GoffJordan LoveJared Goff
Yah, there is some garbage there, but also some of the best of the best of the best. I would say the very best the league has to offer with the exception of the Bills QB.
They play probably the 4 best QB's in the league but no one else on this list with the possible exception being Goff and the Lions scares me a whole lot.
EDIT: the Niners are scary but not because of their QB play.
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