Quote: @"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Yes please. He looks lost out there at times and he isn't out there much. It must be getting in his head
Quote: @"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
If we cut Reagor we still have to pay him. He is on his rookie deal (like JJ) and was a first round pick (like JJ) so his contract is guaranteed (like JJ's). And that is where the similarities end.
If we want out of that contract we would need to get another team to trade for him. That seems unlikely.
Quote: @"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Quote: @"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Also Viking fans: This team doesn't have the "balls" to move up and get their QB. Sometimes moves like this work--Rashad, Carter, Shelley, sometimes they don't. Howie Roseman was the best GM in the NFL before he drafted Reagor ahead of JJ. Then he was a laughing stock. Then he drafted Hurts and now he's the best again. It's almost as if every GM in the NFL makes a series of good and bad decisions.
Quote: @"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Also Viking fans: This team doesn't have the "balls" to move up and get their QB. Sometimes moves like this work--Rashad, Carter, Shelley, sometimes they don't. Howie Roseman was the best GM in the NFL before he drafted Reagor ahead of JJ. Then he was a laughing stock. Then he drafted Hurts and now he's the best again. It's almost as if every GM in the NFL makes a series of good and bad decisions.
Ups and downs are a consequence of living on planet earth, as a g.m. or plumber or housewife or whatever. Of course if one *never actually makes* a ballsy move, one never has to face the consequences of that potential failure, right? Just consequences of all the other usual types of failures.
Their orientation seems to be "Stay at or slightly above .500", not "Let's go all out for a title.". Balls not required?
The team sells hope and the fans believe. It's not magic or a secret. I just don't happen to believe, because the results speak louder than the sales pitch. I really don't care if a ballsy move doesn't work out--at least they took the risk that says we aren't just selling you shit, we went for it win or lose.
My personal fandom isn't hitched to 'ooh I can't bear the thought of a bad year or two because they took a risk that didn't work'. If the team sucks well, think of it as more opportunities to roast them for kicks! :p
Quote: @"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Also Viking fans: This team doesn't have the "balls" to move up and get their QB. Sometimes moves like this work--Rashad, Carter, Shelley, sometimes they don't. Howie Roseman was the best GM in the NFL before he drafted Reagor ahead of JJ. Then he was a laughing stock. Then he drafted Hurts and now he's the best again. It's almost as if every GM in the NFL makes a series of good and bad decisions.
Which is why I still don't understand why Spielman was let go. This is a hit and miss business and nobody bats 1000. They wanted to move on from Zimmer because his message was stale and the players no longer responded, fine, but we won 13 games last year on the backs of the talent and roster that Rick Spielman had assembled. Kwesi added nothing in the way of key additions or talent to the roster last season and we still have no idea what we have in him as a talent evaluator as he has had more misses then hits to this point. This upcoming draft will be very telling in my opinion for everybody's favorite whizz kid.
Quote: @"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Also Viking fans: This team doesn't have the "balls" to move up and get their QB. Sometimes moves like this work--Rashad, Carter, Shelley, sometimes they don't. Howie Roseman was the best GM in the NFL before he drafted Reagor ahead of JJ. Then he was a laughing stock. Then he drafted Hurts and now he's the best again. It's almost as if every GM in the NFL makes a series of good and bad decisions.
Which is why I still don't understand why Spielman was let go. This is a hit and miss business and nobody bats 1000. They wanted to move on from Zimmer because his message was stale and the players no longer responded, fine, but we won 13 games last year on the backs of the talent and roster that Rick Spielman had assembled. Kwesi added nothing in the way of key additions or talent to the roster last season and we still have no idea what we have in him as a talent evaluator as he has had more misses then hits to this point. This upcoming draft will be very telling in my opinion for everybody's favorite whizz kid.
Rick was canned because him and Zimmer stopped talking. For as good as Spielman was in the draft most years, he had a few stinkers and missed on too many 1st round picks (Bradbury, Hughes, Gladney, Treadwell, etc) before he hit it big on Darrisaw and JJ. Also, he gave up way too much for Bradford and stopped catering towards his HCs bread and butter (defense) the past couple years. When you look at the guys we jettisoned in 2019-2021, who did we get to replace those guys? Bust draft picks and FAs that weren't good. When you have a defensive minded HC who had a blue print that worked to win, you keep drafting and building your team that way. The Ravens are a classic example of this... They know what they want to be offensively and defensively and drafted accordingly.
Bottom line, the core talent we had in 2022 was a better fit for KOC than Zimmer. Also, I'd say KOC's coaching elevated the team. It wasn't a product of Spielman. We were much better situationally in the final 2 minutes of each half and his culture was a big reason in getting wins in the 4th quarter.
It was time for a change at HC and in the FO. I'm super high on KOC and what he's done with the players. Not as confident in Kwesi as GM, but we'll see what he does in this draft. If he makes a move for a rookie QB and nails it, it'll be something Spielman never did and I'll be his biggest fan.
Quote: @"Wetlander" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Also Viking fans: This team doesn't have the "balls" to move up and get their QB. Sometimes moves like this work--Rashad, Carter, Shelley, sometimes they don't. Howie Roseman was the best GM in the NFL before he drafted Reagor ahead of JJ. Then he was a laughing stock. Then he drafted Hurts and now he's the best again. It's almost as if every GM in the NFL makes a series of good and bad decisions.
Which is why I still don't understand why Spielman was let go. This is a hit and miss business and nobody bats 1000. They wanted to move on from Zimmer because his message was stale and the players no longer responded, fine, but we won 13 games last year on the backs of the talent and roster that Rick Spielman had assembled. Kwesi added nothing in the way of key additions or talent to the roster last season and we still have no idea what we have in him as a talent evaluator as he has had more misses then hits to this point. This upcoming draft will be very telling in my opinion for everybody's favorite whizz kid.
Rick was canned because him and Zimmer stopped talking. For as good as Spielman was in the draft most years, he had a few stinkers and missed on too many 1st round picks (Bradbury, Hughes, Gladney, Treadwell, etc) before he hit it big on Darrisaw and JJ. Also, he gave up way too much for Bradford and stopped catering towards his HCs bread and butter (defense) the past couple years. When you look at the guys we jettisoned in 2019-2021, who did we get to replace those guys? Bust draft picks and FAs that weren't good. When you have a defensive minded HC who had a blue print that worked to win, you keep drafting and building your team that way. The Ravens are a classic example of this... They know what they want to be offensively and defensively and drafted accordingly.
Bottom line, the core talent we had in 2022 was a better fit for KOC than Zimmer. Also, I'd say KOC's coaching elevated the team. It wasn't a product of Spielman. We were much better situationally in the final 2 minutes of each half and his culture was a big reason in getting wins in the 4th quarter.
It was time for a change at HC and in the FO. I'm super high on KOC and what he's done with the players. Not as confident in Kwesi as GM, but we'll see what he does in this draft. If he makes a move for a rookie QB and nails it, it'll be something Spielman never did and I'll be his biggest fan.
I really think that's where the unraveling started to happen was the decision to bring Cousins in at the sacrifice of losing some of those players you mentioned in 2019-2021. I think there was a philosophical difference in roster construction for the first time between the two of them with that one move because prior to that they were aligned in rolling with Bridgewater before the injury. The Cousins acquisition was ultimately the demise of the Spielman/Zimmer era.
And yeah, I think more of a "feel good" culture helped win games, as well as health and some other factors, but ultimately if we are giving KOC credit you also have to acknowledge that his beyond terrible decision to bring in Ed Donatell to oversee the defensive overhaul and scheme transition was the downfall of our season. I'll wait and see on KOC before I anoint him the second coming of Bill Walsh. I was off the Adolpho-Mensah bus from the outset, and he has done nothing to prove me wrong to this point as the amount of misses he's had in one season is staggering. This is a huge offseason for him in proving whether he belongs in the position he was given.
Quote: @"supafreak84" said:
@"Wetlander" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
@"comet52" said:
@"supafreak84" said:
@"MaroonBells" said:
Can we now finally get rid of Reagor? He should've been cut the minute after he failed to complete his route against the Colts. Not the next day, the next play. Take him off the field, get his playbook and escort him to the parking lot.
Can we escort Kwesi out too while we are at it since we will still be paying off the Reagor trade NEXT YEAR (2024) in the form of a 4th or 5th round pick?
Viking fans have always had this weird idea that putting some other team's trash in purple will turn shit into gold. "Let's grab Zach Wilson when the Jets toss him on the scrap heap!!"
What's worrisome is if we have a g.m. who believes that nonsense. Let's hope he learned his lesson.
Also Viking fans: This team doesn't have the "balls" to move up and get their QB. Sometimes moves like this work--Rashad, Carter, Shelley, sometimes they don't. Howie Roseman was the best GM in the NFL before he drafted Reagor ahead of JJ. Then he was a laughing stock. Then he drafted Hurts and now he's the best again. It's almost as if every GM in the NFL makes a series of good and bad decisions.
Which is why I still don't understand why Spielman was let go. This is a hit and miss business and nobody bats 1000. They wanted to move on from Zimmer because his message was stale and the players no longer responded, fine, but we won 13 games last year on the backs of the talent and roster that Rick Spielman had assembled. Kwesi added nothing in the way of key additions or talent to the roster last season and we still have no idea what we have in him as a talent evaluator as he has had more misses then hits to this point. This upcoming draft will be very telling in my opinion for everybody's favorite whizz kid.
Rick was canned because him and Zimmer stopped talking. For as good as Spielman was in the draft most years, he had a few stinkers and missed on too many 1st round picks (Bradbury, Hughes, Gladney, Treadwell, etc) before he hit it big on Darrisaw and JJ. Also, he gave up way too much for Bradford and stopped catering towards his HCs bread and butter (defense) the past couple years. When you look at the guys we jettisoned in 2019-2021, who did we get to replace those guys? Bust draft picks and FAs that weren't good. When you have a defensive minded HC who had a blue print that worked to win, you keep drafting and building your team that way. The Ravens are a classic example of this... They know what they want to be offensively and defensively and drafted accordingly.
Bottom line, the core talent we had in 2022 was a better fit for KOC than Zimmer. Also, I'd say KOC's coaching elevated the team. It wasn't a product of Spielman. We were much better situationally in the final 2 minutes of each half and his culture was a big reason in getting wins in the 4th quarter.
It was time for a change at HC and in the FO. I'm super high on KOC and what he's done with the players. Not as confident in Kwesi as GM, but we'll see what he does in this draft. If he makes a move for a rookie QB and nails it, it'll be something Spielman never did and I'll be his biggest fan.
I really think that's where the unraveling started to happen was the decision to bring Cousins in at the sacrifice of losing some of those players you mentioned in 2019-2021. I think there was a philosophical difference in roster construction for the first time between the two of them with that one move because prior to that they were aligned in rolling with Bridgewater before the injury. The Cousins acquisition was ultimately the demise of the Spielman/Zimmer era.
And yeah, I think more of a "feel good" culture helped win games, as well as health and some other factors, but ultimately if we are giving KOC credit you also have to acknowledge that his beyond terrible decision to bring in Ed Donatell to oversee the defensive overhaul and scheme transition was the downfall of our season. I'll wait and see on KOC before I anoint him the second coming of Bill Walsh. I was off the Adolpho-Mensah bus from the outset, and he has done nothing to prove me wrong to this point as the amount of misses he's had in one season is staggering. This is a huge offseason for him in proving whether he belongs in the position he was given.
O'Connell did what a lot of young offensive minded first year HCs do... bring in a veteran DC to run the defense so he could focus on installing his offense. He also brought in a former HC in Pettine to help him navigate all HC duties and be a sounding board to minimize rookie mistakes.
McVay did this with Wade Phillips when he was first hired and LaFleur did it too when he was in GB. Unlike LaFleur, O'Connell realized he made a mistake and quickly corrected it. LaFleur waited too long to fire Pettine and it cost them a shot at a Super Bowl and then compounded the problem by hiring Barry who's defenses all sucked wherever he went.
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