Quote: @greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
Hard to put that game into words. - Jefferson: In another thread I called him the Diggs eraser -- at this point the Zilfs will just need to open the bank vault. If you haven't read Peter King's article this morning, it is worth the read. Next Gen stats had the probability of the catch at 28.8%. But here is what I found crazy: "It wasn’t just that catch that Next Gen found unlikely. Nine of Jefferson’s 10 receptions had less than a 50 percent chance of being caught by him. No player in the seven-year history of Next Gen analyzing every catch in the NFL has made nine catches in one game with less than a 50-50 chance of being caught."
9 out of 10 seems high, considering there are 3 or 4 Kirk to JJ passes here that you really can't throw much better.
https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/...31523?s=20&t=56s4oZA8UlAAYiR_jyqsPg
Yeah, I think the Next Gen stuff is fun at times, but they are now trying to hard to be "legitimate" stats with their over expectation, and the likelihood of it being caught.
I don't really understand the stat. Maybe it's more about the coverage than the throw.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
Hard to put that game into words. - Jefferson: In another thread I called him the Diggs eraser -- at this point the Zilfs will just need to open the bank vault. If you haven't read Peter King's article this morning, it is worth the read. Next Gen stats had the probability of the catch at 28.8%. But here is what I found crazy: "It wasn’t just that catch that Next Gen found unlikely. Nine of Jefferson’s 10 receptions had less than a 50 percent chance of being caught by him. No player in the seven-year history of Next Gen analyzing every catch in the NFL has made nine catches in one game with less than a 50-50 chance of being caught."
9 out of 10 seems high, considering there are 3 or 4 Kirk to JJ passes here that you really can't throw much better.
https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/...31523?s=20&t=56s4oZA8UlAAYiR_jyqsPg
Yeah, I think the Next Gen stuff is fun at times, but they are now trying to hard to be "legitimate" stats with their over expectation, and the likelihood of it being caught.
I don't really understand the stat. Maybe it's more about the coverage than the throw.
It's that (coverage) but also the distance of the throw, the placement of the ball, etc. I'm not a math wizard though so I'm sure there are other variables like the launch angle and velocity if the throw, wind speed, etc that goes into it too lok
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
Hard to put that game into words. - Jefferson: In another thread I called him the Diggs eraser -- at this point the Zilfs will just need to open the bank vault. If you haven't read Peter King's article this morning, it is worth the read. Next Gen stats had the probability of the catch at 28.8%. But here is what I found crazy: "It wasn’t just that catch that Next Gen found unlikely. Nine of Jefferson’s 10 receptions had less than a 50 percent chance of being caught by him. No player in the seven-year history of Next Gen analyzing every catch in the NFL has made nine catches in one game with less than a 50-50 chance of being caught."
9 out of 10 seems high, considering there are 3 or 4 Kirk to JJ passes here that you really can't throw much better.
https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/...31523?s=20&t=56s4oZA8UlAAYiR_jyqsPg
Yeah, I think the Next Gen stuff is fun at times, but they are now trying to hard to be "legitimate" stats with their over expectation, and the likelihood of it being caught.
I don't really understand the stat. Maybe it's more about the coverage than the throw.
So many variables and stats to make a judgement call. Like a ref running up the sideline to guess where the ball was when the player stepped out and putting his foot down in that location. Then measuring with the chains that were placed on the sideline as a guesstimate where the spot was and declaring the ball an inch short of the first down.
Perhaps this helps explain NextGen's view: According to Next Gen Stats, he only had 1.48 yards of separation on his targets. The league average is 2.93. Still, this didn’t deter Cousins from throwing his way, as he targeted Jefferson 16 times.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
Perhaps this helps explain NextGen's view: According to Next Gen Stats, he only had 1.48 yards of separation on his targets. The league average is 2.93. Still, this didn’t deter Cousins from throwing his way, as he targeted Jefferson 16 times.
Yes, but does it consider if the DB is trailing and doesn't turn his head. Does it consider the catch radius of the receiver or the height of the DB? Does it consider whether the DBs were being allowed to mug the WR? Just like PFF it doesn't take into consideration what the read was and whose job it was either.
Again, it is fun to see how fast the ball carrier was and how far the throw travelled, but I think they get lost when they consider themselves THE answer.
Quote: @Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
Hard to put that game into words. - Jefferson: In another thread I called him the Diggs eraser -- at this point the Zilfs will just need to open the bank vault. If you haven't read Peter King's article this morning, it is worth the read. Next Gen stats had the probability of the catch at 28.8%. But here is what I found crazy: "It wasn’t just that catch that Next Gen found unlikely. Nine of Jefferson’s 10 receptions had less than a 50 percent chance of being caught by him. No player in the seven-year history of Next Gen analyzing every catch in the NFL has made nine catches in one game with less than a 50-50 chance of being caught."
9 out of 10 seems high, considering there are 3 or 4 Kirk to JJ passes here that you really can't throw much better.
https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/...31523?s=20&t=56s4oZA8UlAAYiR_jyqsPg
Yeah, I think the Next Gen stuff is fun at times, but they are now trying to hard to be "legitimate" stats with their over expectation, and the likelihood of it being caught.
I don't really understand the stat. Maybe it's more about the coverage than the throw.
It's that (coverage) but also the distance of the throw, the placement of the ball, etc. I'm not a math wizard though so I'm sure there are other variables like the launch angle and velocity if the throw, wind speed, etc that goes into it too lok
Also moon phase and astrological sign of the players involved, as well as density altitude and barometric pressure!
Quote: @jargomcfargo said:
@ Wetlander said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ VikingOracle said:
Hard to put that game into words. - Jefferson: In another thread I called him the Diggs eraser -- at this point the Zilfs will just need to open the bank vault. If you haven't read Peter King's article this morning, it is worth the read. Next Gen stats had the probability of the catch at 28.8%. But here is what I found crazy: "It wasn’t just that catch that Next Gen found unlikely. Nine of Jefferson’s 10 receptions had less than a 50 percent chance of being caught by him. No player in the seven-year history of Next Gen analyzing every catch in the NFL has made nine catches in one game with less than a 50-50 chance of being caught."
9 out of 10 seems high, considering there are 3 or 4 Kirk to JJ passes here that you really can't throw much better.
https://twitter.com/NickOlsonNFL/status/...31523?s=20&t=56s4oZA8UlAAYiR_jyqsPg
Yeah, I think the Next Gen stuff is fun at times, but they are now trying to hard to be "legitimate" stats with their over expectation, and the likelihood of it being caught.
I don't really understand the stat. Maybe it's more about the coverage than the throw.
It's that (coverage) but also the distance of the throw, the placement of the ball, etc. I'm not a math wizard though so I'm sure there are other variables like the launch angle and velocity if the throw, wind speed, etc that goes into it too lok
Also moon phase and astrological sign of the players involved, as well as density altitude and barometric pressure!
Don't forget calculating who the receiver and defenders significant others are.
Great writeup VO. I remember in training camp how KOC was talking to everyone, I thought that was important. And he doesn't have such an ego that he won't take input from the players, it is really smart to do so. There is a video of him lifting Pat Pete up during the locker room speech and a video of him hugging Pat Pete at the end of the game and Pat Pete says I love you coach and KOC says I love you man. You can see the bond and respect. With Cousins, KOC has helped him get out of his own head, I think that's the biggest difference. They worked together before so that is an advantage. That clutch piece is there, he is able to rebound and overcome after a mistake. He doesn't go into a shell. He has freedom and input and that's important to him.
Of course Jefferson is out of this world elite. And Dalvin is making things happen but the addition of Hockenson was huge. Bradbury has been able to rebound and the OL is making progress. The defense is getting things done too. So I know some people thought that the talk about culture was ridiculous or silly but we are seeing the impact of it. The Situational masters meeting (using league wide film) to discuss certain situations is bbrilliant. The bond of this team is also very important and fun to watch.
Quote: @Vikergirl said:
Great writeup VO. I remember in training camp how KOC was talking to everyone, I thought that was important. And he doesn't have such an ego that he won't take input from the players, it is really smart to do so. There is a video of him lifting Pat Pete up during the locker room speech and a video of him hugging Pat Pete at the end of the game and Pat Pete says I love you coach and KOC says I love you man. You can see the bond and respect. With Cousins, KOC has helped him get out of his own head, I think that's the biggest difference. They worked together before so that is an advantage. That clutch piece is there, he is able to rebound and overcome after a mistake. He doesn't go into a shell. He has freedom and input and that's important to him.
Of course Jefferson is out of this world elite. And Dalvin is making things happen but the addition of Hockenson was huge. Bradbury has been able to rebound and the OL is making progress. The defense is getting things done too. So I know some people thought that the talk about culture was ridiculous or silly but we are seeing the impact of it. The Situational masters meeting (using league wide film) to discuss certain situations is bbrilliant. The bond of this team is also very important and fun to watch.
A couple of things -- I think one of the important cultural changes is that players are no longer walking on eggshells. They can make mistakes and not suffer the wrath of Zim. It has allowed Cousins to throw more 50/50 balls; it has empowered the defense to go for more turnovers.
On Bradbury from ESPN: The Vikings' new leadership group committed to evaluating Bradbury this season, and he has rewarded that decision. Bradbury has played all but two snaps and ranks No. 10 in ESPN Analytics' run block win rate metric. As for concern about past struggles in pass protection, he ranks No. 17 in the pass block win rate metric. Add it all up, and Bradbury has been an above-average center in 2022 and is on his way to being a priority free agent this winter.
Quote: @VikingOracle said:
@ Vikergirl said:
Great writeup VO. I remember in training camp how KOC was talking to everyone, I thought that was important. And he doesn't have such an ego that he won't take input from the players, it is really smart to do so. There is a video of him lifting Pat Pete up during the locker room speech and a video of him hugging Pat Pete at the end of the game and Pat Pete says I love you coach and KOC says I love you man. You can see the bond and respect. With Cousins, KOC has helped him get out of his own head, I think that's the biggest difference. They worked together before so that is an advantage. That clutch piece is there, he is able to rebound and overcome after a mistake. He doesn't go into a shell. He has freedom and input and that's important to him.
Of course Jefferson is out of this world elite. And Dalvin is making things happen but the addition of Hockenson was huge. Bradbury has been able to rebound and the OL is making progress. The defense is getting things done too. So I know some people thought that the talk about culture was ridiculous or silly but we are seeing the impact of it. The Situational masters meeting (using league wide film) to discuss certain situations is bbrilliant. The bond of this team is also very important and fun to watch.
A couple of things -- I think one of the important cultural changes is that players are no longer walking on eggshells. They can make mistakes and not suffer the wrath of Zim. It has allowed Cousins to throw more 50/50 balls; it has empowered the defense to go for more turnovers.
On Bradbury from ESPN: The Vikings' new leadership group committed to evaluating Bradbury this season, and he has rewarded that decision. Bradbury has played all but two snaps and ranks No. 10 in ESPN Analytics' run block win rate metric. As for concern about past struggles in pass protection, he ranks No. 17 in the pass block win rate metric. Add it all up, and Bradbury has been an above-average center in 2022 and is on his way to being a priority free agent this winter.
Absolutely Cousins definitely has a coach in his corner and that is huge. Bradbury is no doubt a priority and that says a great deal about his ability to rebound and coaching. This coaching staff is getting the most out of the players because respect is there and the environment is a positive one. There are no favorites, injured guys don't get ignored and there is a determination to rebound after mistakes. It's pretty amazing actually.
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