For me as a fan? The opener vs GB is among the most eagerly anticipated in the last decade.
GB and then @ Philly is a tough draw.
Quote: @purplefaithful said:
For me as a fan? The opener vs GB is among the most eagerly anticipated in the last decade.
GB and then @ Philly is a tough draw.
Could easily be 0-2. And then the fans will lose their shit and the honeymoon period will be over. Which is ridiculous, but that's what will go down.
Quote: @minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
We were a handful of plays from being in the playoffs.
Dalvins fumble is reviewed correctly. Joseph makes the kick. The D make one or two extra plays at the end of a game and we’re in.
It didn’t bounce our way last year. Maybe we’re due?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
Just because you repeat your roster talent as your stance from last year doesn't mean I agree with you...just as much as you want to disagree with me on how drastically our starting roster has changed from that talent laden group you reference. We have not been a very good team for a couple of years due to numerous factors and overall talent is one of them. But we disagree and we have gone in this circle many times. We have 8+ new starters as I predicted at the end of last season and you told me that was crazy....and you won't even admit that 8+ new starters is a mini rebuild?
OK, please stop trying to challenge my position and tweak yours to confront me. I have stated my case numerous times as have you and we disagree. Peace and Skol we want the same thing.
Quote: @minny65 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
Just because you repeat your roster talent as your stance from last year doesn't mean I agree with you...just as much as you want to disagree with me on how drastically our starting roster has changed from that talent laden group you reference. We have not been a very good team for a couple of years due to numerous factors and overall talent is one of them. But we disagree and we have gone in this circle many times. We have 8+ new starters as I predicted at the end of last season and you told me that was crazy....and you won't even admit that 8+ new starters is a mini rebuild?
OK, please stop trying to challenge my position and tweak yours to confront me. I have stated my case numerous times as have you and we disagree. Peace and Skol we want the same thing.
Curious who the 8+ new starters are.
Quote: @AGRforever said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
We were a handful of plays from being in the playoffs.
Dalvins fumble is reviewed correctly. Joseph makes the kick. The D make one or two extra plays at the end of a game and we’re in.
It didn’t bounce our way last year. Maybe we’re due?
This will be on every Viking fan's tombstone.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ purplefaithful said:
For me as a fan? The opener vs GB is among the most eagerly anticipated in the last decade.
GB and then @ Philly is a tough draw.
Could easily be 0-2. And then the fans will lose their shit and the honeymoon period will be over. Which is ridiculous, but that's what will go down.
depends on how we lose, if we go out and just flat out get beat up and down the field, GBay running all over our D, or our O not being able to move the ball... and then similar results in Philly, well then some lost shit is warranted, but if they at least look like there is something to get excited for in the future, with more time and growth... then those losing their shit should be thoroughly mocked.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
Just because you repeat your roster talent as your stance from last year doesn't mean I agree with you...just as much as you want to disagree with me on how drastically our starting roster has changed from that talent laden group you reference. We have not been a very good team for a couple of years due to numerous factors and overall talent is one of them. But we disagree and we have gone in this circle many times. We have 8+ new starters as I predicted at the end of last season and you told me that was crazy....and you won't even admit that 8+ new starters is a mini rebuild?
OK, please stop trying to challenge my position and tweak yours to confront me. I have stated my case numerous times as have you and we disagree. Peace and Skol we want the same thing.
Curious who the 8+ new starters are.
I'm guessing he's talking about 5 on the starting 22 (Ingram, Phillips, Bullard, Hicks, Z. Smith) and three on special teams (Wright, Reagor, Nwangwu). Could be 9 if Smith doesn't recover in time.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ minny65 said:
Like I said when they were hired Kwesi has a longer window before any real judgement because of the GM position. You can't judge on one pick, FA pickup, coach hired or one trade. I think Kwesi is doing as I expected and has had a few hiccups to date.
KOC - is going to be under the spotlight starting next week and I also expect a decent number of hiccups/mistakes from all the new changes in schemes, coaches and starting players. If you look at our starting lineup from last year and look at what we expect to start this year we have 8+ new starters, a first time HC and a new defensive scheme.
I expect a fairly slow start to the season with a good amount of learning and gelling that will build up to a nice run of wins (week 10-15) that can get us into the 9,10-playoff push. Last year's roster was not good even without the injuries and the coaching was a dead man walking. Even if we squeezed out a playoff spot what did anyone expect - a one and done debacle. This was not a team that played with any consistency and as you can see with the number of changes across the board at all levels..change was necessary. Our Zimmer window closed (slammed in Philly) the season after the philly massacre.
In 2022, the Vikings rank 5th in the NFL in homegrown (read: drafted) talent. They ranked 2nd last year and 1st the year before. I'll say it again: Roster talent was not our problem.
The core of the team--Cousins, Dalvin, JJ, Thielen, KJO, Irv, Darrisaw, Cleveland, O'Neill, Hunter, DT, Kendricks, Harry, Bynum, P2, Dantzler, the players that will make or break our season--were on the team last year.
It's like you wanted a rebuild and so want to pretend we actually did that. We didn't. See above players.
Just because you repeat your roster talent as your stance from last year doesn't mean I agree with you...just as much as you want to disagree with me on how drastically our starting roster has changed from that talent laden group you reference. We have not been a very good team for a couple of years due to numerous factors and overall talent is one of them. But we disagree and we have gone in this circle many times. We have 8+ new starters as I predicted at the end of last season and you told me that was crazy....and you won't even admit that 8+ new starters is a mini rebuild?
OK, please stop trying to challenge my position and tweak yours to confront me. I have stated my case numerous times as have you and we disagree. Peace and Skol we want the same thing.
Curious who the 8+ new starters are.
I'm thinking Phillips, Hicks, Z. Smith, Sullivan (NCB), Ingram and whoever replaces Watts at DE for sure. Then you have Danztler who wasn't a starter from the get go last year... Same for Bynum... That gets to 8.
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