Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
Still trying to find any "tape" of McDuffie or Gordon facing an NFL caliber receiver. One that actually got drafted. The hype on this young man is crazy.
I'll take Roger McCreary all day every day and twice on Sunday of McDuffie.
You're drafting McDuffie on traits and "tape" against scrubs.
The Husky run defense was so bad this year that teams just ran it.
Where is the actual "tape" of McDuffie shutting down any NFL caliber receiver.
I can wait.
Shall we list all the busted corners who DID face top competition? LIke Jeff Okudah, CJ Henderson, Damon Arnette, Eli Apple, Dee Milliner, Morris Claiborne? Or how about a CB who's biggest red flag was getting beaten by the LSU receivers in the championship game couple years ago. I heard it over and over. That corner was AJ Terrell, by far the best CB from that draft. There's several dozen more of these examples if you want them.
Drafting well is about identifying traits that translate to the NFL. McDuffie has many of those traits. Who you faced is just part of the picture, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
First thing, I don't magically control the algorithm of a draft sim. Some of ya'll acting pissed that we maybe got lucky getting McDuffie is hilarious.
Second, I didn't start the sim with a particular position in mind in rd. 1. I was open to DT, Edge, or CB. That said, I think there are 4 Corners past Sauce and Stingley that all have potential 1st rd. grades. McCreary, Booth, Elam, McDuffie. All have their fans and detractors. McDuffie fell in this sim. Maybe not realistic to 27, but not impossible given some will knock his height/arm length, and teams needs/schemes.
Expect the usual run in the 1st rd. of OT (4), WR (5), Edge (6), DT (4), CB (6), a couple safeties, a few will reach on QB's. A few players are going to drop and a few will rise.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Still trying to find any "tape" of McDuffie or Gordon facing an NFL caliber receiver. One that actually got drafted. The hype on this young man is crazy.
I'll take Roger McCreary all day every day and twice on Sunday of McDuffie.
You're drafting McDuffie on traits and "tape" against scrubs.
The Husky run defense was so bad this year that teams just ran it.
Where is the actual "tape" of McDuffie shutting down any NFL caliber receiver.
I can wait.
Shall we list all the busted corners who DID face top competition? LIke Jeff Okudah, CJ Henderson, Damon Arnette, Eli Apple, Dee Milliner, Morris Claiborne? Or how about a CB who's biggest red flag was getting beaten by the LSU receivers in the championship game couple years ago. I heard it over and over. That corner was AJ Terrell, by far the best CB from that draft. There's several dozen more of these examples if you want them.
Drafting well is about identifying traits that translate to the NFL. McDuffie has many of those traits. Who you faced is just part of the picture, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
It was obvious you would respond as he is your favorite. Cool.
He still has not faced any receiver that is getting drafted besides in 2019.
Since we are not talking about the other corners you mentioned (a lot of Ohio State dudes) then it is not relevant.
We are only talking about McDuffie.
I am waiting for the "film".
Quote: @MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Still trying to find any "tape" of McDuffie or Gordon facing an NFL caliber receiver. One that actually got drafted. The hype on this young man is crazy.
I'll take Roger McCreary all day every day and twice on Sunday of McDuffie.
You're drafting McDuffie on traits and "tape" against scrubs.
The Husky run defense was so bad this year that teams just ran it.
Where is the actual "tape" of McDuffie shutting down any NFL caliber receiver.
I can wait.
Shall we list all the busted corners who DID face top competition? LIke Jeff Okudah, CJ Henderson, Damon Arnette, Eli Apple, Dee Milliner, Morris Claiborne? Or how about a CB who's biggest red flag was getting beaten by the LSU receivers in the championship game couple years ago. I heard it over and over. That corner was AJ Terrell, by far the best CB from that draft. There's several dozen more of these examples if you want them.
Drafting well is about identifying traits that translate to the NFL. McDuffie has many of those traits. Who you faced is just part of the picture, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
It was obvious you would respond as he is your favorite. Cool.
He still has not faced any receiver that is getting drafted besides in 2019.
Since we are not talking about the other corners you mentioned (a lot of Ohio State dudes) then it is not relevant.
We are only talking about McDuffie.
I am waiting for the "film".
Go watch Khalil Mack's film at Buffalo and name the NFL competition he faced. You won't find any.
What he had were traits that translate to the NFL. IMO, there are traits that matter, overrated traits and underrated traits. Level of competition is something to consider, but if you look through draft history, all the players who went to small colleges versus those who played at big schools, you'll find this is not one of those factors to hang your hat on.
I'm not going argue with your strawman. You don't like McDuffie, fine. We'll find out soon enough.
McDuffie reminds me of Traye Waynes. Fantastic run defending corner who has sideline to sideline ability to pursue and neutralize run after the catch yardage. The lack of Pac10 receiver talent he has faced in coverage is the unknown concern with him plus he is a little bit smaller and may struggle to match up against taller NFL receivers. Those are his risk factors just like Stingley's durability, injury history, and consistency. He's never been as good as his freshman year.
If we trade down and can land McDuffie I would be all for it. I think he will definitely make our defense better. He's a tenacious defender and battles on every play. Having said that, he's not elite. I don't want to trade down for him if there are better players on the board by staying put. Jordan Davis and Jameson Williams are both freak athletes who have played in the best conference against elite competition. Davis can't be single blocked. He would eat Bradbury alive. He would be our best interior lineman from day 1. Tomlinson was a disappointment last year IMO. He was invisible for long stretches and was a terrible run defender. He's not disruptive. Phillips will be a nice addition, but will he be as good on a Vikings defense that is nowhere near the caliber of Buffalo who was #1 overall in 2021?
Williams would be the top receiver in this draft if he didn't have the ACL injury during the championship game. Pairing him with Jefferson, Thielen, Osborne, and Smith would be a nightmare for teams to stop.
I'm fine looking for a corner in Round 2 to pair with what we already have. Donatell's defensive scheme is a Spot/Drop zone. You pick up a man when he enters your zone, and then deliver him to the next defender when he exits your zone. Having an elite Press Man Corner is not part of his defensive scheme or philosophy.
Quote: @TBro said:
McDuffie reminds me of Traye Waynes. Fantastic run defending corner who has sideline to sideline ability to pursue and neutralize run after the catch yardage. The lack of Pac10 receiver talent he has faced in coverage is the unknown concern with him plus he is a little bit smaller and may struggle to match up against taller NFL receivers. Those are his risk factors just like Stingley's durability, injury history, and consistency. He's never been as good as his freshman year.
If we trade down and can land McDuffie I would be all for it. I think he will definitely make our defense better. He's a tenacious defender and battles on every play. Having said that, he's not elite. I don't want to trade down for him if there are better players on the board by staying put. Jordan Davis and Jameson Williams are both freak athletes who have played in the best conference against elite competition. Davis can't be single blocked. He would eat Bradbury alive. He would be our best interior lineman from day 1. Tomlinson was a disappointment last year IMO. He was invisible for long stretches and was a terrible run defender. He's not disruptive. Phillips will be a nice addition, but will he be as good on a Vikings defense that is nowhere near the caliber of Buffalo who was #1 overall in 2021?
Williams would be the top receiver in this draft if he didn't have the ACL injury during the championship game. Pairing him with Jefferson, Thielen, Osborne, and Smith would be a nightmare for teams to stop.
I'm fine looking for a corner in Round 2 to pair with what we already have. Donatell's defensive scheme is a Spot/Drop zone. You pick up a man when he enters your zone, and then deliver him to the next defender when he exits your zone. Having an elite Press Man Corner is not part of his defensive scheme or philosophy.
I never saw Waynes as a physical DB coming out of MSU at bout 185 lbs. He was not known for a run stuffer as he was always arm tackling, but he got a little better under Zimmer. He was fast. He just never got consistently better in ball awareness/coverage. Neutralizing the run after the catch is another way of saying, sucking at your main responsibility.
I don't hate McDuffie. I would be just fine drafting him. I just think Booth will surprise a ton with his skill set, work ethic, and instincts
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Still trying to find any "tape" of McDuffie or Gordon facing an NFL caliber receiver. One that actually got drafted. The hype on this young man is crazy.
I'll take Roger McCreary all day every day and twice on Sunday of McDuffie.
You're drafting McDuffie on traits and "tape" against scrubs.
The Husky run defense was so bad this year that teams just ran it.
Where is the actual "tape" of McDuffie shutting down any NFL caliber receiver.
I can wait.
Shall we list all the busted corners who DID face top competition? LIke Jeff Okudah, CJ Henderson, Damon Arnette, Eli Apple, Dee Milliner, Morris Claiborne? Or how about a CB who's biggest red flag was getting beaten by the LSU receivers in the championship game couple years ago. I heard it over and over. That corner was AJ Terrell, by far the best CB from that draft. There's several dozen more of these examples if you want them.
Drafting well is about identifying traits that translate to the NFL. McDuffie has many of those traits. Who you faced is just part of the picture, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
It was obvious you would respond as he is your favorite. Cool.
He still has not faced any receiver that is getting drafted besides in 2019.
Since we are not talking about the other corners you mentioned (a lot of Ohio State dudes) then it is not relevant.
We are only talking about McDuffie.
I am waiting for the "film".
Go watch Khalil Mack's film at Buffalo and name the NFL competition he faced. You won't find any.
What he had were traits that translate to the NFL. IMO, there are traits that matter, overrated traits and underrated traits. Level of competition is something to consider, but if you look through draft history, all the players who went to small colleges versus those who played at big schools, you'll find this is not one of those factors to hang your hat on.
I'm not going argue with your strawman. You don't like McDuffie, fine. We'll find out soon enough.
Except for when Khalil Mack had 2.5 sacks and 9.5 tackles vs Ohio State…
McDuffie at 27 is fine by me, just not at 12 as I’m not convinced he plays outside. I like the trade back
Quote: @Hawkvike25 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Still trying to find any "tape" of McDuffie or Gordon facing an NFL caliber receiver. One that actually got drafted. The hype on this young man is crazy.
I'll take Roger McCreary all day every day and twice on Sunday of McDuffie.
You're drafting McDuffie on traits and "tape" against scrubs.
The Husky run defense was so bad this year that teams just ran it.
Where is the actual "tape" of McDuffie shutting down any NFL caliber receiver.
I can wait.
Shall we list all the busted corners who DID face top competition? LIke Jeff Okudah, CJ Henderson, Damon Arnette, Eli Apple, Dee Milliner, Morris Claiborne? Or how about a CB who's biggest red flag was getting beaten by the LSU receivers in the championship game couple years ago. I heard it over and over. That corner was AJ Terrell, by far the best CB from that draft. There's several dozen more of these examples if you want them.
Drafting well is about identifying traits that translate to the NFL. McDuffie has many of those traits. Who you faced is just part of the picture, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
It was obvious you would respond as he is your favorite. Cool.
He still has not faced any receiver that is getting drafted besides in 2019.
Since we are not talking about the other corners you mentioned (a lot of Ohio State dudes) then it is not relevant.
We are only talking about McDuffie.
I am waiting for the "film".
Go watch Khalil Mack's film at Buffalo and name the NFL competition he faced. You won't find any.
What he had were traits that translate to the NFL. IMO, there are traits that matter, overrated traits and underrated traits. Level of competition is something to consider, but if you look through draft history, all the players who went to small colleges versus those who played at big schools, you'll find this is not one of those factors to hang your hat on.
I'm not going argue with your strawman. You don't like McDuffie, fine. We'll find out soon enough.
Except for when Khalil Mack had 2.5 sacks and 9.5 tackles vs Ohio State…
McDuffie at 27 is fine by me, just not at 12 as I’m not convinced he plays outside. I like the trade back
Agreed. McDuffie is not Mack from an impact perspective.
Quote: @StickyBun said:
@ Hawkvike25 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ MarkSP18 said:
Still trying to find any "tape" of McDuffie or Gordon facing an NFL caliber receiver. One that actually got drafted. The hype on this young man is crazy.
I'll take Roger McCreary all day every day and twice on Sunday of McDuffie.
You're drafting McDuffie on traits and "tape" against scrubs.
The Husky run defense was so bad this year that teams just ran it.
Where is the actual "tape" of McDuffie shutting down any NFL caliber receiver.
I can wait.
Shall we list all the busted corners who DID face top competition? LIke Jeff Okudah, CJ Henderson, Damon Arnette, Eli Apple, Dee Milliner, Morris Claiborne? Or how about a CB who's biggest red flag was getting beaten by the LSU receivers in the championship game couple years ago. I heard it over and over. That corner was AJ Terrell, by far the best CB from that draft. There's several dozen more of these examples if you want them.
Drafting well is about identifying traits that translate to the NFL. McDuffie has many of those traits. Who you faced is just part of the picture, but it doesn't tell the whole story.
It was obvious you would respond as he is your favorite. Cool.
He still has not faced any receiver that is getting drafted besides in 2019.
Since we are not talking about the other corners you mentioned (a lot of Ohio State dudes) then it is not relevant.
We are only talking about McDuffie.
I am waiting for the "film".
Go watch Khalil Mack's film at Buffalo and name the NFL competition he faced. You won't find any.
What he had were traits that translate to the NFL. IMO, there are traits that matter, overrated traits and underrated traits. Level of competition is something to consider, but if you look through draft history, all the players who went to small colleges versus those who played at big schools, you'll find this is not one of those factors to hang your hat on.
I'm not going argue with your strawman. You don't like McDuffie, fine. We'll find out soon enough.
Except for when Khalil Mack had 2.5 sacks and 9.5 tackles vs Ohio State…
McDuffie at 27 is fine by me, just not at 12 as I’m not convinced he plays outside. I like the trade back
Agreed. McDuffie is not Mack from an impact perspective.
Right but obviously only because of the positional value. Think what you want. But you can bet we'll come back to this thread. :-)
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